Most SEO Firms Are Cheating

Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by seoindia, Aug 4, 2005.

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  1. seodelhi

    seodelhi Active Member

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    #21
    I think one of the moderator should be asked to do that, i dont think seoindia will delete that URL.
     
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  2. SEbasic

    SEbasic Peon

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    #22
    I wonder who gave me a red rep???

    Arsehole...
     
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    #23
    Most companies have thsoe big promising sales ads because they are written by marketters that know nothing about how seo works. If you hire a company because of what their website says you are crazy. The best SEO services (from my point of view) would be SEO freelancers that don't mislead their customers, Since they don't have the corporation BS attitude, they can be more realistic and usefull.
     
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  4. Jim_Westergren

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    #24
    A VERY good point.
     
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    #25
    If you are looking for SEO advice then I would suggest reading a lot of posts on this very forum - there are some very talented people here and reading their comments here at DP will tell you a lot more about them and what they could offer you than any internet sales pitch ever could.
     
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    #26
    That's one hell of an accusation to make in a public forum.
    Do you like letters from lawyers or something ?
     
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    john_loch Rodent Slayer

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    #27
    I don't see anything wrong with that email.

    Of course, their recommendations might be another matter entirely, but as far as I can see they were pretty up front.

    But then, you might be right too - he may have seen you coming.

    What's the issue anyway - so called seo companies are a dime a dozen nowadays, and like that email, few show their true colors till your commitment is bankable.

    Get over it/on with it.

    Cheers,

    JL
     
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    #28
    There's nothing wrong in an SEO firm improving the meta tags. They certainly have a bearing on Yahoo and MSN. They also provide an excellent discipline for aligning the content on your site.
     
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  9. SEbasic

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    #29
    I think that's the best reason for changing Meta Tags I've heard in ages.

    Otherwise, I think it's pretty useless.
     
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    cashmirrors Well-Known Member

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    #30
    After reading the email from the 724 guy, I think he is more honest than many seo people. Definately no cheating or con man going on here.
     
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    #31
    WOW, what a deceptive person we are dealing with here. I am of course talking about SEOINDIA ;)

    This man claims that MOST SEOS ARE CHEATING, when he cites one. This man deceptively contacts a competitor with lies and deceit, then complains about dishonesty. This man makes massive assumptions in the 'if it had been an ordinary man he would have scammed me' line. And THEN to top it all, he posts a private business correspondence on an open forum.

    SEOINDIA, you are one nasty despicable person, who based on your performance today can not be trusted! I suggest that you come on this forum and apologise for your bad behaviour, or at least change your screen name, as you are giving Indian SEO's a very bad image.
     
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    zalee Banned

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    #32
    :D :eek: :) ;)
     
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    #33
    Hmm? far too cryptic for me.
     
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    #34

    That´s the second time I´ve seen you post this stupid comment today. It wasn´t funny the first time.
     
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    ?
    Did he just get banned?

    Wow, 2 *** on the same thread.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #36
    It all depends. The problem is generalization here. Most seo firms are cheating? Well maybe, I have seen it done a lot. But if you have 10 authority sites and don't get a client results under 2 months, that IMO would be a miracle. It depends on your connections and tools. You can get fast results easily if you're well established. If you are a brandnew seo, you will have to hustle though.

    What amazes me is that after all this time on here there are still members talking to us as if we're a bunch of dumbasses lol (of course talking about seoindia as well)

    I have seen a lot of dishonest seo's, but the statements seoindia makes seem to be based on his own inability to rank people :rolleyes:
     
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    #37
    The purpose behing my post was to point out the way SEO organization uses fake statements to get SEO projects. I didnt posted it because i had something personal with anyone. Th thing is that some SEO firms are so much misguiding peoples that it ultimately puts a ? on the authenticity of search engine optimization. I agree that in the mail he was OK, but i posted the mail for u to enjoy and neither did i wrote anywhere that in the mail he is misguiding anyone. I pointed out against the statement that is used in the website which were totally fake and it was clear by the mail that the statements they are putting up in site are totally baseless.

    I think that we all have the right to come out with our views and post on the forum and espiecially if i see anyone misguiding the public i will continue doing that. I am not against any organization but i am againt misguiding peoples. However i think that this thread is stretched too far unnecessarily and we have certain important issues to discusss rathar than this only. The way some peoples commented it put a doubt in my mind that either they were associated with that firm in some manner or they are also misguiding peoples with baseless statements. The forum is to discuss things and not to fight out. I started it to know what u peoples think. I know i might be wrong and u have rights to say that but the way some peoples behaved that was too much...
     
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    cashmirrors Well-Known Member

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    #38
    Yeah we're all connected with the firm, it's one big conspiracy. In fact, they hired me just to come here and say good things about them. /sarcasm

    Your purpose might have been good. You picked a lousy way of doing it, and a lousy example.

    Their statements are definately not totally baseless. Sure, you might prefer it if they put a disclaimer up, but they came right out an told you (ohh that's right, they're psychic and *knew* you were too smart for them).

    You are wrong.

    Everyone I've seen in this thread has behaved very rationally and if anything TOO LITTLE in response to your trashy and untrue accusations.

    You are wrong. No maybe about it.

    Admit that, apologise, delete the URL from your original post, and maybe start a new thread without any unjustified specific accusations and we can get a decent discussion of bogus SEO claims.
     
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    #39
    Finally he has deleted the URL of that SEO firm....
     
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    SEO INdia, Possibly something was lost in translatyion between your thoughts and your deeds. I understand that you think it was deceptive of them to make a statement like they have on their headline, but the moment they were contacted they explained the guarantee. It seems they DO guarantee in some cases, so technically they are not lying.

    As for the conspiracy thing with us being associated to the site, well that is plain laughable. I state on my site that no one can guarantee you a top placement on the search engines, other than the search engines themselves, or via PPC. However I normally speak to a client, then have a look at the site concerned, and sometimes I know absolutely well that if I can not get the site in the top ten then it is time for me to pack up and go home. Sometimes it can take many months to get the results on Google, due to the nature of the beast. It was for this reason that I understand what the company are saying, they MUST see the site first to be able to offer a guarantee.

    A guarantee is like an insurance policy, and risk has to be taken into consideration, this is known as underwriting. What you are expecting from their headline was that they guarantee to get any page to the top. I have been approached by people who want their site at number one, but have told me point blank that I am not allowed to alter the site in any way. Could any company guarantee in these circumstances? Of course not (apart from link bombing of course).

    Hopefully now I have explained IMO why they have done what they have done. I am not condoning deceptive claim advertising however, and agree with the previous poster of the claim having been flagged with a * eg FREE £10 NOTES*


    subject to £10.50 post and packaging ;)
     
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