Mosques in the Netherlands

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ziya, Apr 1, 2008.

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    In 1970 there were only 8 mosques in The Netherlands. At present there are more than 450 mosques. Most of them are built and managed by the Turkish, Moroccan, Pakistani or Muslims of the Surinami community.

    Until recently there were not many newly built mosques in the Netherlands. Over the last few years several larger mosques have been built while others are in process. The architectural styles of these new mosques have provoked public debate about whether architects should fall back on traditional designs of Mosques or whether their designs should be more innovative and in fit into the local environment

    source : http://www.indiawijzer.nl/religion_and_spirituality/islam/mosques_in_netherlands.htm
     
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  2. Plazimot

    Plazimot Peon

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    Showing off? :D

    Well probably some kind of encourage,but you have to remember that tolerance and understanding is based (directly or indirectly) on thought that Europeans (westernmen,white men , whatever you call it) are dominant (pompous,heh?),once they lose that sent things are going to go bad.
    I can elaborate that thought as wide as you want starting from woman right,child right,rights of handicapped etc.The base is that "stronger is protecting weaker" (in any aspect of the word stronger and weaker)


    p.s.Post like this could be considered as islamophobia in some parts of Europe (like "my god they are taking over Europe") and they have quite different affect here than you would like ;)
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    it's what happens when poor unfortunate people escape whichever hell hole they were born in and come to Europe. If they bring their religion, Which they invariably do, That particular religion will appear to grow. It's not so much that there are more muslims, it's that there are more immigrants who happen to be muslims fleeing to live in a civilised European country.

    Is this a plus for islam? No, It's a negative for countries with a high islamic population.
     
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    Since Mosques also serve as community centers of a sort, like Sikh Gurdwaras, this is an interesting development.

    If you haven't been inside a mosque before, check one out. They are quite different from Christian churches.
     
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    sweetsara Peon

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    Well it happened and does happen with every religion, you can't just single out Islam for that, Christianity was born in the east, now most western countrys have thousands of churches etc

    Anyway the spread of Islam is a prophecy being fulfilled infront of our very eyes right now
     
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    Blitz Well-Known Member

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    Not really, it's called immigration. There's no ancient prophecy (to my knowledge) that the Polish would spread, yet more Polish have arrived in the UK than Muslims over recent years.
     
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    no, people converting to islam is not called immigration, it is called conversion
     
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    Heehehehe your a dreamer,it is what Blitz told, an immigration.But how you plan to spread islam in let's say Russia,Poland,Serbia,Croatia,Greece,Bulgaria etc?Peacefully no chance,cause those people fought muslims for 100's of years,and by force would be even more silly cause all the holly jihad can't defeat small Israel.And what about those already in Europe?Well Turkey (with it's 3% in in Europe) urges for secularization to get into Union,those who were under Soviet union had their secularization(and those who were jihadic,well you know what happened to them) so did Albania (some elements of jihadist in Kosovo but they got their independence and radicals are dying out).Same thing with Bosnia,you have some of them waiting for the day they will slaughter the(exact quote) "worst kind of crusaders" "sons of pigs and monkeys" - Croats, but on the other hand you have some of them who eat pork chops,drink and swear god(nasty habit Balkan people have :D).
    So I think prophecy is going to wait a little while ;)
     
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    Funny, I've never known anyone to convert to islam, not saying it doesn't happen but 'the spread of islam' is definitely not being being fulfilled 'infront of my eyes'.

    Infact, religion as a whole has lost a lot of following in the UK over the last few decades.
     
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    Funny, how mis informed you are. You have never known anyone to convert to islam probally because you have no friends. 20,000 Americans convert to ISLAM each year, most of them women. Islam is growing rapidly in Russia and China also. It won't be long before Muslims are the majority population of the world. :D :cool:

    http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

    http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a100501b.html

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1026534.ece

    http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=qw1100423885802B264

    Plazimot: Israel got defeated by a small guerilla army in 2006, it makes me laugh when people boast how strong they are
     
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    Wow, aren't you the little propaganda monkey ;] Seriously, you're on a completely different level to me in terms of delusion so we're wasting each others time.

    However, those links you posted didn't really say much other than 14,000 white people in the UK are now muslims. The point is, I'm white and British, I've never heard of anyone who's converted, because in a country with 60,000,000 people, 14,000 isn't much at all.

    Secondly, I'm from an area of London with a high Turkish population. Of the muslims I know (from Turkish and Indian background), nearly everyone of them drinks alcohol and eats more bacon than I do; they don't give a toss about their religion. The only reason they call themselves muslim is because of their parents. I'm pretty sure when some of my muslim mates have kids, they won't make their children follow islam just because they were forced into it as kids.

    Also, having studied Chinese culture and language for quite a while I know they've never been a particularly religious people, infact a lot of the people I know from China regard the islamic parts of China as quite primitive, so I find it odd that you think it's really spreading there, it's definitely not in the cities (Shanghai, Beijing or Hong Kong).

    But yeah, this is only my experience from someone who actually lives in the UK, maybe you can dig up some web links from 2003 to prove me wrong, who knows :)
     
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    20 000 strong believers

    Russia is very polite and tends to negotiate with islamists

    Chinese government is very supportive toward religion ,and intrusive ones are their dream

    :eek:


    Pssst, don't spread this around ,but I have info that they are regrouping after you have demolished Tel Aviv and made Israel into islamic country :D

    The point is that Israel isn't that strong,but muslims are that weak
     
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    I didn't, You did. You made the thread specifically about mosques in the Netherlands, I was explaining why they need more mosques, it's because it's a hot spot for immigrants escaping countries with a high islamic population.
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    do You think that Europe is only for wealthy Europeans? are you are against immigrants ?
     
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    No and no. But the reason for the increase in muslims is the reason i gave.
     
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    I've never been inside of a mosque... but i picture lots of rugs and the leader with his back turned to the visitors facing in an easterly direction (since everyone faces that direction while praying, no?).
     
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    If you show me the benefit of immigration I will answer you that
     
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    Well they arent skilled enough so the goverment wants skilled workers such as doctors and such, skills that people like you can't provide. ;)
     
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    So ironic that those who claim to be the closest to their gods are often the most racist and predigest in their views, this is a perfect example of that.
     
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    #20
    IMO, "immigration" per se is neither good or bad, it's just a noun that refers to movement of people. For some countries immigration is essential and encouraged (like Canada), but every country is different and it is up to them to regulate in the way that's best for them. like it or not, 6 billion people don't fit in Manhattan.
     
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