In case you've been living on another planet : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye_hostage_crisis Also Russia doesn't give a dam about things like this affecting it's image .
If you do not know why the rebels attack then you do not know any history and surely not in the position to comment on Chechen rebels. I am not taking sides but if you lost a wife, husband, brother etc you might be seeking revenge also. Here is some history where Russia took over their territory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War The exact death toll from this conflict is unknown. Unofficial estimates range from 25,000 to 50,000 dead or missing, mostly civilians in Chechnya
Thanks for the link man! That might have been the most interesting read I've had in a week or two! It seems we've all heard this story before. Arab Islamists get pissed off about their neighbor's form of government and devise a plan to overthrow it, only to get their asses handed to them on the battlefield and lose the land they started with. It seems they would learn at some point.
I was referring to the wars fought by the West in the name of "fighting terror". That's the farce and that's what has caused the genocidal level of civilian deaths. Sure, these fanatical and oppressive ideologies are evil and have caused many deaths too, but nothing compared to what the Western "saviours" have caused. Excellent points Atvking. It's a modern millenarian utopian ideal that allows those to think the impossible can be achieved. If you haven't already, read a book called "Black mass" by John Gray. It explains these interesting things very well.
its nothing more than a pure conflict of personal financial interests of the US government and their corporation buddies on one side, and 3rd world countries and their resources and economies on the other... oppressive and fanatical ideologies are the product of foreign policy...saudi arabia and iraq and great examples...both are oppressive and fanatical (cant get more oppressive than in saudi eh?) BUT these 2 countries have very different treatment... one country decided to bow down to US crap the other did not...nothing to do with terror being that the saudi king is probably the worlds #1 promoter of radical islam (google king saud quran printing press) ... but, somehow, saudi arabia is the US govs best buddy and iraq is not the "war on terror" is nothing more than a gang war for turf with civilians caught in the middle...id place blame on both the US gov and the local leaders BUT its the USA who flies over half the globe to "secure its interests" and indeed fuels small fires in to full blown civil wars...its good busine$$ to the US army supplier corps and the contractor buddies that get to "Rebuild"...billions upon billions of tax payer$$$ are now flowing in to the pockets of US gov buddies and contractors LOL "terrorism" is not a real threat to nuclear USA LOL...only an american can believe this LOL...the US gov should be honest with its citizens and just admit it: "dear citizens, you are getting attacked by terrorists for a good reason, and we, the US gov, dont give a shit LOL you are just tax cattle that we send to fight our little wars for us and then YOU will reap what we sow...now go wave a flag and pretend youre keeping the motherland safe because you are more in danger of being killed by a poodle than the USA is in danger from terrorists ahahaha!" want a no biased assessment of the REAL power of the US gov to actually control anything? well look no further than the "war on drugs" LOL what a spectacular failure that is LOL and this is on the USA-s OWN turf... gives one quite a clear picture of what the "War on terror" will bring
So you spend the first half of your post arguing about how these nations are no threat to "nuclear" US, and how we are only there for resources, then you wrap up with how incompetent we are dealing with a small thing like the war on drugs on our own borders. I suppose the resource in this little war is the third world supply of cocaine, marijuana, and opium we are trying to screw them out of ? What was the resource we were so interested in in Kosovo? You can not only see your tonsils, I'll bet you can actually see out your mouth.
well the brainwash is strong in the USA and one has to point out the super obvious to some people.. you are in NO danger as a nation,economy,ideology, whatever...your "motherland" is safe and will not be destroyed by 3rd world shit holes ... every time one of your bomb droppers says "im keeping america safe" it has a mild laxative effect on the rest of the world LOL a good indicator of your competence or better said lack of it...realistically you cant control shit even on your own grounds and so says 450billion$ worth of narcotics they smuggle in every year...so to sum up: you are in NO danger and even if you were you would NOT be able to do anything about it LOL let me ask you: why do you pretend? (as a nation) whats up with that? why the drama? do you feel no shame to act like scared little pussies and pretend you are in control by dropping bombs on others? i dont get it...i mean i get your government it does it for the $$$ but why do you do it??? its not about americans its about the US gov and their buddies...you dont actually think the US gov has the interests of its citizens in mind? LOL its a business...you see kosovo may be small for the US economy but for a FEW SELECT people close to the US gov it has vast resources...heres how they did it... 1) they install a mafia president: http://www.euronews.net/2010/12/16/kosovo-pm-rejects-mafia-style-crime-claims/ 2) they get the mafia president to give vital contracts and concessions to his US masters 3) a select few in the US gov make billions, the US military providers make billions and they are also close to the USgov. and last but not least you get to move in with your banks and get the whole nation in to debt slavery kinda like your government did with its own citizens small private countries are good business
Gee, I feel so helpless when you phrase it that way. We cant do anything right. We cant do anything to protect ourselves even if we were in danger which we are not. We should just do nothing at all!! Better yet, maybe we should kill a bunch of our own citizens based on ethnicity like the good guys do! You mean install our own politicians into independent governments? What, you think we went to the Milosovic school of politics? Why is it always the cheating partner who accuses everyone of cheating?
making peace with everybody and minding your own domestic affairs would make the USA much safer...put a soldier every 10 feet of your border and enjoy your paranoia and not fuel wars in other countries because a few people in your government make money off of it the USA installed mafia boss, kidnapper, human organ trafficking, heroin dealing, witness murdering, terrorist leader thaci in kosovo ... you see if you gave support to some moderate normal politician you could not do your dirty dealings with him he would actually want to keep the interests of his people before yours, and you would have to get rid of him too ... so you install a thug like thaci in kosovo or saddam in iraq and make your "best boy" do as you wish OR you have enough on him to do an "iraq" on him if he does not ...spot a pattern? yes so do I LOL... this is how the US gov. keeps a grip over its own private little endeavours in other peoples countries...if you have anything else you need clarified dont hesitate to ask ive seen it decade after decade always the same recipe but under a different "excuse" ...bomb,invade and profit.. oh and just look how nicely kosovo is doing you can see the US effort and the genuine and pure interests of the UN puppets...quote CIA factbook 2010: "Kosovo's citizens are the poorest in Europe with an average annual per capita income of only $2,500. Unemployment, around 40% of the population, is a significant problem that encourages outward migration and black market activity." this is 10 years after the "liberation"...yes i can see i was wrong now LOL...the USA really does want to help LOL...it was not about you guys taking over and pillaging it was all about humanitarian happy fun aid LOL...kosovo is just doing peachy! so is iraq LOL...so is every other place you recently graced with your "Democracy"...and all the human organ trafficking accusations against your best boy are all made up LOL...
For those who don't know. It was US and the west who were supporting the "Chechen Freedom Fighters" up until US got the 9/11 message from the honorable Islam jihadists. As far as I know the west gave refugee status to some bloody Chechen warlords. I know why US and the West want weak Russia. Russia is one of the biggest commodity exporter in the world. The weaker Russia the cheaper the commodities will be and easier to rob her. It was about $$$..... that's why they supported the Islamic freedom fighters, Talebans and etc. The "democracy" card was used for long term financial gains. US politics was primarily interested in $$$$$$ then everything else. There are many facts about US supporting dictatorships around the world. Why? It was supposed to be the opposite isn't it? But it wasn't. US and the West must leave the hypocracy to the side and use the same standard with everyone.
Evidence please. As far as I know, its mandatory that all Arabs boys have sex with their goat before age 16. Evidence please. Why is it people think they can just role out the wildest accusations without a shred of evidence and have people just consider it factual? If you are going to just make up stories, why don't you make up something nice that could be put in childrens literature, or a fanciful tale about worldwide peace, or the humanitarian nature of Sharia states? @atvking: Noticed I left you speechless when it came to Milsovic and installation of politicians.
Russia Warns U.S. on Rebel Contact : Diplomacy: Moscow says talks with Chechens would be 'unacceptable' as official of breakaway republic visits Washington. January 28, 1995|SONNI EFRON | TIMES STAFF WRITERMOSCOW — Russia summoned U.S. Ambassador Thomas R. Pickering on Friday and warned him that Moscow considers any contact between the United States and leaders of the rebel government of Chechnya to be "unacceptable," Russian news agencies reported. However, the breakaway republic's foreign minister, Shamsettin Yusuf, who is now visiting Washington, said in a telephone interview that he had met with two U.S. State Department officials for more than an hour Friday to explain Chechen President Dzhokar M. Dudayev's views. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-01-28/news/mn-25284_1_breakaway-republic It has also been suggested that Islamic extremist terrorist groups such as Al Quaeda and others have been involved in some aspects of the Chechen war, and earlier, when such terrorist groups were supported by the west to destabilize the former Soviet Union. (Breaking down larger regions been a successful strategy used throughout history by Europe, the US and others, when they divided and ruled various colonial states. Keeping other nations small works to the advantage of powerful nations. For example, look at the resulting maps of Africa on this web site's Africa pages.) Yet at the same time, more recently, with Russia claiming to fight its own war on terrorism, it seems as though western leaders have been giving tacit support. http://www.globalissues.org/article/100/crisis-in-chechnya Looks like you are not looking for the truth yourself, but waiting others to deliver it to you. BTW, didn't Bush give support to Georgia? When Saakashvili plain open attacked the Russian Peacekeepers? Why there is no war crimes prossecution for Saakashvili? Don't be hypocritical. It is either justice for all or selfishness that will sooner or later come to bite you.
1) Georgia is not Chechneya 2) Bush calling for civility in Georgia is not the US supporting Georgia. We called for civility on the part of Mubarak without supporting the revolution. 3) We meet with all kinds of people, regardless of whether or not the leader of a foreign state considers it to be "acceptable" or not. Meeting with these people does not mean we are supplying them guns and money. 4) It would be political suicide for Obama to support Chechneya in any way right now, considering Checneya's islamist agenda and terrorist tactics. What I asked you for was evidence to back your claim we are supporting the "chechnyen freedom fighters". Perhaps you consider that to be me waiting for the truth to deliver itself to me. In the course of a normal conversation, when you make claims, you normally provide evidence to back those claims. Seems if it were as truthful as you claim it is, a simple web search later would have put a link in your post .