I just find it strange that there hasn't been some grand parade of the WMD's, I mean everyone has been screaming for them since the start of the war. Here are a few thoughts I had, no credit to them though, just have a strange feeling about the report: 1) Degraded to the point that they are not useful 2) They have a "Made in the USA" sticker on them. 3) Something big is coming up and the admins need a golden egg to get the attention of the media.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU! Do you not see a human as a human, but just someone to put down? I have family over there. I hope to God none of them are true and we get the hell out of there before anything even worse happens in the world.
Let me say that this is my opinion: I believe it's made out this way, so it seem like an unselfish act ie we know we were right, we'll just let everyone say it. That would be deemed as keeping your hands clean, and letting others do the work. Then again I'm not assert it's solid FACT. Devils in the details, and I'm not quite sure they're all available...e.g how potent are they really? Here's a thought: Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for." but... "While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," it said. So the question is: how lethal? A repub says, "One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country, can be very, very deadly." But is this true or just a spin? Won't know for a while. -------------------------------------------- Then again, the pentagon just said homosexuality is mental disease...which is funny, but I doubt that's science. I try to give our gov the benefit of the doubt on what they say is fact...as I hope there not complusive liars I'm not sure about this, I've heard otherwise...but if you got some info on this specific case to back that assertion, I'd love to read it.
My question didn't serve to put you down, nor was it constructed to do so. It was a fair, honest question to ascertain where the "three" items you listed were coming from. What you want them to be, what you've read they are? Just random thoughts?
Just buzz I have read, no facts to them. I know that: - the US has armed a lot of forces that we fight against - large news events seem to pop up at times when something else is going wrong - Our government is in bed politicaly and through business with the very people they say we need to watch out for. This is not restricted to our current administration. Either way, I still think your question was out of line...
I don't think it was out of line at all. The follow up has given me the insight I suspected they were based upon. Pure denial...
I have family fighting for a war which you stated is for freedom. Feel free to rip on me and others and act like as smug as you like. You have the right and will far into the future, just please thank them for allowing you this right when you have the chance. BTW: All three items I listed have happened, I am not saying they have in this situation. I am not in denial, just need a little more than a Fox News report to get all excited.
Source? Rumsfeld himself must convince you he didn't knew anything solid about WMD in Iraq. The WMD that has been found now is not the smoking gun that the U.S. supposedly has gone to war for. Or would you say otherwise Gtech? Do you remember Colin Powell with his white board with all kind of claims about WMD? These munitions doesn't come close to this does it? Why do you even bring this up? Is this some sort of a ''i told you so'' post? That the war is justified since their are WMD found?
I'm sure typing that response took much less effort that showing something more reflective of your claim. Too much effort
Oh, now there is some predefined criteria that they must meet? Here's what I say: more wmd have been found. And it angers the liberals to no end. Who knows why they are so angry over WMD being found. I'm sure there is some mystical reason that lacks logic. You mean the ones in Syria, or the ones looted, or the ones used in a Jordan plot. Can we get specific. What's next, must have serial numbers and DNA evidence on them? Why do I bring it up? It's news. Granted, I knew it was going to piss off the anti-American liberal crowd, but none-the-less, it's worth discussing. I have no grand illusions that liberals would do anything less than what they've done in this very thread. It's not going to change their mind. They'll just move on to something new, or continue the lie that wmd were never found or existed.
Do you find it justified to let your government send troops to Iraq and spend billions of dollars for a handfull of grenades with chemical gas in them? The facts as of now are that the war has supposedly been started because of a massive WMD threat in numerous forms. This is not the case now is it? That is what i meant with ''not coming close to it'' but you very well knew that. Keeping dumb when the truth is presented to you is a favourite tactic so it seems by your reply. Just like Rumsfeld. Well they where never found where they before this came out? (At least i never heard of this type of findings) So i would not say people where lying about this. Hence the world people because i don't think or want to place myself in a two option category. Unlike you. On the other side it is evident that lies are continuesly being puth forward by your beloved Rumsfeld and President. Yes it's news of course but it sure isn't the smoking gun you would like it to portrait to be. And for the record -- I am not Anti-American. I just don't agree with the policies of your Goverment and how they lie to the people of the world and sacrificing lives of U.S. troops and putting the economy of the U.S. at risk.
ACTUALLY..... There is no "media blackout". They did a big story on this on MSNBC (liberal network but hey, at least they're not fox claiming to be fair and balanced ) What they actually found were old mustard gas canisters from the Iran/Iraq war (1988) and guess what. They were nearly all so old and degenerated that scientists and chemical munitions specialists are laughing at the senator who announced and tried to grandstand on this "discovery". They said though the chemicals that are left are "harmful" in that if you rub it in they can cause burns on your skin they are far from fatal... So we did find W.M.D. WEAPONS OF MASS DISCOMFORT Watch out, you might get a chemical burn rofl What's funnier is the Republican Senator Rick Santorum (PA) that announced it is in a race to win his seat and was down 18 points in the polls. That's why the whitehouse let him "announce" this though they've known about these for years. Why didn't the whitehouse announce it since it's such a big deal??? I'll tell you. A) They knew it would blow up in their face just like it's doing to the senator now. B) They also knew that they drew America into the war claiming Nuclear. Not chemical. And frankly they know that old debate is an argument they can't win. That's why Rowe's strategy is to talk about the future instead of why the hell we're not punishing this administration for the complete and utterly unexplained foul up in the past. His strategy is also to tell all Republicans to use the term "cut and run" as much as he can because his research tells him it's the new killer buzzword that will make everybody forget to be mad at the whitehouse for putting us here in teh first place. I like you GT. Don't fall in line on this one. The conservatives are gonna take a hit for sure on this. All this does is bring up that scary argument that they don't want to talk about!
And what report are you reading of "a handfull of grenades with chemical gas in them?" No point in making up your own facts and falsehoods. That alone tells me that you want it to be less than it really is, because you choose to intentionally and deliberately make it sound far less than what it was. Let me help you with the facts: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html So now you know the conditions, of which, WMD was a part of. Note, there is no preconceived notions or requirements for the WMD, it says very specifically, all. The truth is there for you to accept, or do as you are now...looking for anyway to make it not so. No amount of wishful thinking will change the fact that more wmd have been found. You must find it within yourself to discover why it has angered you to the point of untruthfully describing the find as "handfull of grenades with chemical gas in them." See my links on the very first page for links. Yet you offer nothing more than your own word (after disclosing your deliberate willingness to put forth falsehoods) as evidence. Neither the topic, nor the body, nor any reply I've made in regards to the angry left's responses in this thread mention "smoking gun." WMD has been found. The powerful nature of such a discovery has truly enraged some with unspeakable anger. Yet you offer nothing to back up these "excuses" to suggest they are anything more than wishing they were true. Blind hatred. Bush Derangement Syndrome. WMD were found. Only you know the truth as to why it makes you angry.
George, MSNBC, while liberal, does not define a "media blackout." I haven't checked today to see if the NYT, LAT, CNN or others have carried the story. When I checked CNN yesterday, it was not on their front page and search didn't prove fruitful. The NYT is too busy selling out our country for book sales from Risen's release of classified info on legal programs, so I can understand why they may not cover it. However, I'd be most interested in seeing the source for the material you reference. It sounds exactly like what they would try to suggest. I've seen reports that strongly counter what you are suggesting MSNBC has claimed, so this might be a good source for actual debate. In looking at the poll presented, it appears the poll goes up to 6/12/2006. Just shy of two weeks ago. When did Santorum release details? I'm pretty sure it was on the 21st of this month. Can't say it's a fair representation to suggest his poll numbers are falling as the result of this info, if they stop a week and a half before the last poll survey date. If you can find some info on that MSNBC story, I'll watch the post and maybe we can debate over what they are saying, vs what I've been reading/hearing. I think it's fair to say, the left will try to trivialize it to sound like a "handfull of grenades" and the far right will make it out to be more than it may be. But I'm willing to find some middle ground.
I'll continue this tomorrow. It's useless but fun to confront you with your own deception and futile attempts to defend the ''justified'' morals of your idols. And i am not angry Gtech Not even close....
Real funny GTech, just remember, for a guy that has never in his life won a debate against me and whose buddies cower out and abandon him to a disgusting defeat so they are not shamed with you, that comment takes a lot of balls to make, but I have always said, you have a lot of balls and no brains! Also remember GTech, when it comes to understanding what is really going on you are light years behind me, most of what you learn that is of value is from me and I am older than you so quit lying your ass off before everyone, we all know you are a pathological lying propagandist already, no need to continue to prove it man!