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Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by gworld, Mar 20, 2006.

  1. sidjf

    sidjf Peon

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    #101
    How many sites have you brought up here, gworld, that I went on to delete? Dozens? I disagree with you one time about some sites and suddenly I'm an adult webmaster trying to protect his sites...pathetic. The only thing you've proven is that you don't understand the ODP guidelines very well.

    I think a better question is why are you so interested in seeing this handful of sites removed?

    Find some listings that actually need to be removed and I will remove them in a heartbeat and then thank you for it.
     
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  2. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #102
    It is not a handful of sites, I prefer the WHOLE "image gallery" mess be cleaned up and NO "multiple listing" of ANY such "door way" pages be permitted.

    Why are you so interested to keep "affiliate doorway" pages that are disgrace for DMOZ in the directory instead of listing something that is actually useful for users?
     
    gworld, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  3. sidjf

    sidjf Peon

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    #103
    I'm not interested in keeping them. Read my posts again and/or keep trying to re-write reality.
     
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  4. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #104
    It is obvious for anyone that these kind of listings are against DMOZ adult guideline for image galleries, so why don't you start to clean up that section?
    Are you afraid to get spanked again like when you moved the "affirmative view" category to test? ;)
     
    gworld, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  5. compostannie

    compostannie Peon

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    #105
    Oh, let me take this one please. :D

    We don't feel like turning our backs on the pedophile clean up to rush over to that other section. We'd rather keep cleaning up pedophilia until it's finished. It's about the children, remember? Our priorities haven't changed, have yours? I hope you're still on this topic to share your views when the children are safe.

    ryan_uk thank you for your answers to my questions, I appreciate it. After peodphilia, maybe you can help me understand more about this issue if you have time?
     
    compostannie, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  6. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #106
    Sure, I'll try to help you understand the best I can. :)

    Good luck in the cleaning.
     
    ryan_uk, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  7. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #107
    It is funny that people have so much time to file abuse report about my activities regarding uncovering the abuse in DMOZ but there is no time to remove listings that are against DMOZ own guideline. ;) :rolleyes:

    I suppose fighting the corruption is a bigger abuse than profiting from abusive listings, by DMOZ standard. :rolleyes:
     
    gworld, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  8. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #108
    I'll make no comment on lmocr, but so far Annie has demonstrated a care about what's going on in Adult and the directory in general. But, that's just my opinion, like what you just wrote is yours.

    Given what you've just written, IF someone was running porn sites and into so-called blackhat tactics for promoting their sites then dmoz is the first place they could visit to get doorway pages listed for up to 35 times (or maybe even more) for each domain. Then that gets replicated on other sites... whenever they next update their data, right?
     
    ryan_uk, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  9. lmocr

    lmocr Peon

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    #109
    If someone was running porn sites, provided sufficient free unique photos to meet the current Adult branch description for image galleries, they provided multiple individual galleries of photos, then they could be listed based on the number of galleries. That is correct based on the current Adult operating guidelines. Then those listings will get replicated on other sites - if the other sites choose to replicate the Adult branch.

    BTW ryan, if it matters to you, - I don't edit in Adult, however, I have participated in Adult branch discussions and have put my 2cents into those conversations. My "feelings" on this matter are that changes need to be made to the guidelines - which are being addressed. Whether those changes will be made doesn't affect whether those listings are guideline compliant currently - and that is how editors operate (not based on feelings, but on fact).
     
    lmocr, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  10. shygirl

    shygirl Guest

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    #110
    I don't really 'get' why the Adult section has these somewhat 'different' guidelines as opposed to the rest of the directory and I won't repeat myself.

    But why can't we also apply them across the directory in places that are a bit less controversial and dare I say it, a bit more deserving. ie medicine, health, infomation on diseases, educational areas, little school based sites etc etc. You get the picture.
    Why are we so strict in those areas regardling listings but not in Adult ? 35 listings for a site unless it is a top educational facility ( ie Harvard or the big colleges, universities etc) is practically unheard of.

    It seems a bit weird to me that this area can have sites racking up listings on the basis of a few 'galleries' when there are far more sites out there, some of them very small but fabulous in theses sort of areas that could do with them ?

    I know, I know, that's just the way it is.
     
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  11. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #111
    Don't worry about it. It is not possible for editors who have nothing to gain from it, to get it.
    It is a disgrace for DMOZ and it is useless for Internet users. ;)
     
    gworld, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  12. jjwill

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    #112
    You're right, everyone should just forget about that worthless ODP and go to that other perfect derectory that has better content and more listings.
     
    jjwill, Mar 22, 2006 IP
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  13. shygirl

    shygirl Guest

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    #113
    No am not worried about it, just curious as to how these guidelines came about.

    If I was to stumble upon a pregnancy and moms/mum's site that contained great sections on pregnancy, another one on parenting, one advising on immunisations and another in coping with chicken pox.

    I'd only be able to list it in one area despite the fact it may warrant another 3 or 4. One of the most frustrating things I find as an editor is finding a great section and a site dealing with let's say 'mumps' ... only to find it's already listed in the chickenpox cat because it has another great section on that also. Can't do both, just list the root in one category only.

    So to find that in Adult, if you have 20 pics of 'women being penetrated missonary style' consituting a listing... and then another listing for 'women being penetrated doggy style' consituting another one... and so on.

    Seems a bit .. ummm ... did I miss something in the guidelines ? No ? Thats just how Adult does things. Uuuuuh ok fine ????????????? :confused:

    Has my IQ just dropped several notches or is there something a 'funny' going on with this Adult thing ?
     
    shygirl, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  14. jjwill

    jjwill Peon

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    #114
    Well, actually, if editors find that site content rich, they may list it in multiple cats. But only an editor can make that call. Not someone submitting the site to multiple cats (spamming). :)
     
    jjwill, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  15. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #115
    I would say that your IQ has gone several notches up in comparison to when you started to post in this forum. That is the evil of free discussions, it opens people mind and the line between right and wrong becomes clear.
    Why do you think there is so much resistance to free discussions in internal forum and RZ?

    If more editors join this forum and discuss the policies, who knows may be soon, we will have a big group of enlightened editors in DMOZ. ;)

    There is something "funny" going on with adult but it is not funny at all.
    To have a better understanding of this, may be you should know that Yahoo also has an adult directory which is comparable to DMOZ. Yahoo charges $600 for 1 submission in adult category. Now if a site like this gets 35 doorway listing in DMOZ, it means that the owner has just saved 35*$600=$21,000 in comparison to listing in Yahoo.
    You can do the same calculation for sites that have hundreds of listings. ;)
     
    gworld, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  16. shygirl

    shygirl Guest

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    #116
    I have sweetie, I'm not completely green at this. But, I learnt what was ok to list and what wasn't... and if it was already there in the directory, then generally following the guidelines, it is a complete no-no to list again. Unless it also qualifies for Regional with a physical bricks and mortar address.

    Unless a senior editor would like to step in and let me know I've been editing wrongly since I started??? :confused: I've followed the guidelines for my sections to the letter as far as I'm aware. I've had no complaints so far that I'm not listing sites often enough ?

    35 times or so...
     
    shygirl, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  17. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #117
    Sid, this is DP. You are, of course, getting it confused with the Resourceless Zone again :rolleyes:

    No. We harrass people for NOT answering them and trying to smokescreen the issues with the usual DMOZ bafflegab. You know you're doing it. We know you're doing it. So how about you and lmocr just cut the crap?
     
    minstrel, Mar 22, 2006 IP
  18. dd_la_frime

    dd_la_frime Peon

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    #118
    I just wanted to say that DMOZ is a JOKE !

    I think every editors are fake or maybe they are not surfing anymore.
    I found a category which was last updated May 2004 ! If you sumit a link in this category you may see your link in 2 or 3 years !
    What a Joke !!!

    :D
     
    dd_la_frime, Mar 23, 2006 IP
  19. compostannie

    compostannie Peon

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    #119
    Interesting... Is this your way of telling me the corrupt editor I reported yesterday is actually your account? I wouldn't have thought that editor even knew DP or you existed. You are stealth. :cool:
     
    compostannie, Mar 23, 2006 IP
  20. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #120
    Nope, I am just mentioning the strong feeling of some editors to get rid of me instead of correcting the problems in the the organization. ;)
    So what did this editor do, he or she must have been a real moron, if abuse could have been detected by abuse system?

    Why is everybody so interested in deleting 1 listing here or there or filling abuse report about 1 or 2 editor but there is no interest to discuss real organizational and procedural problems that makes such abuses possible and for majority of time undetected?
    This whole thread is a testimony to the organizational problems which is a disgrace for DMOZ.
    Is it because the editors feel hopeless and powerless to make a real change in DMOZ?
     
    gworld, Mar 23, 2006 IP