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Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by gworld, Mar 20, 2006.

  1. Las Vegas Homes

    Las Vegas Homes Guest

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    #221
    So aquarius are you saying you are not a Dmoz editor, than why the comment above bolded. I dont know about you but when I say OUR I am usually referring to someone I am associated with.
    SEMrush
     
    Las Vegas Homes, Mar 25, 2006 IP
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  2. pagode

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    #222
    Discussions about Adult and what is allowed to be listed started in 1999 in the DMOZ internal forum the oldest post on DP about DMOZ is from Mar 17th 2004. So internal discussions did occur without forums like DP and they will continue to occur.
     
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  3. pagode

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    #223
    sorry, slight typo. should have been own instead of our. that will make the sentence more understandable i think.
     
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  4. lmocr

    lmocr Peon

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    #224
    I know this, but when people read things like this
    and believe it - I'd rather they knew they had an optional means of communicating their thoughts.
     
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  5. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #225
    Uh-huh. Discussions started in 1999. Evidently nothing happened until the "DMOZ child pornography" thread generated some publicity in 2006. But that's just coincidence. :rolleyes:

    How can DMOZ function at all with people like this at the helm? :eek:
     
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  6. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #226
    Translation: She's hoping this will help her in her ambitions up the DMOZ ladder.
     
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  7. lmocr

    lmocr Peon

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    #227
    S/he said s/he is not a DMOZ Admin - not that s/he isn't a DMOZ editor. Of course I don't know if s/he is an editor, just clarifying what was said. :p
     
    lmocr, Mar 25, 2006 IP
  8. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #228
    Of course, you don't know that s/he is not a DMOZ Admin, either, do you?
     
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  9. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #229
    Since sidjf is still trying to pretend that these listings are according to DMOZ guideline, let's look at the adult guideline.

    I have already shown that these pages are affiliate pages:

    1,5,10 link goes to bellababes which in reality is platinumbucks if you click on webmaster

    2,3,4,8,9 goes to macandbumble which in reality is bumblecash

    You can also check the affiliate ID on each link for the sign up. I didn't' check the rest but you are welcome to check those since I am sure it is just different affiliate programs.

    "ODP ADULT GUIDELINES
    ..................

    Affiliate Sites

    Sites that (for example) sell products or services provided by another company and make a small margin on the sale. These are sometimes called reseller or franchise sites. They may seem to have unique content, but the product descriptions and/or images come from elsewhere. In general do not list affiliate sites unless the affiliate has strong, high quality content of its own that end-users will find really useful."


    Are you going to tell us 15 pictures copied from main site qualifies for strong, high quality content? Is it such strong content that deserves 35 listing to the same affiliate programs?:rolleyes:

    "Doorway Sites
    Sites that do nothing more than link to another site and have absolutely no content of their own are doorway sites. Many Adult webmasters obtain multiple domains and use most of them simply to point or redirect to a single main site. Do not list these sites. "


    Since these pages are affiliate of main site and the same pictures are provided by the site that they are affiliate for, doesn't this mean that they have NO content of their own and it is a doorway page? :rolleyes:
    Now lets see what guideline says about the 15 picture and what should be the purpose of such sites:

    "Image Gallery Sites

    These are all listed in the Image Galleries category. Sites listed in this category should have at least the following qualities, and fit the category definition(s) for Image Galleries:

    At least 20 pictures, except for daily posts, and the provision of images must be the clear and undisputed purpose of the site."


    How come pages with 15 pictures are listed? Are you going to tell use at least 20 means 15? :rolleyes:

    How can provision of images can be clear and undisputed purpose of the site when the only way this sites makes money by marketing 1 affiliate link on that page?

    form DMOZ adult guideline:

    "Single Page Image Galleries: These are sites that consist of a single page, with direct links to a set of images. Sites of this type are not listed in the directory, because their content tends to be transient."

    These pages have no link to anywhere else in that domain. there is only the pictures and their affiliate link to the main sites, don't you think this qualifies as tends to be transient? :rolleyes:

    Now that everyone can see through Adult editors excuses, I would like to remind all the editors again:


    "Image Galleries

    Sections for groups or galleries of pictures, listed by category and type: membership, AVS, or free.

    Doorways and affiliate sites are not accepted. "
     
    gworld, Mar 25, 2006 IP
  10. lmocr

    lmocr Peon

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    #230
    http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/adult/listing.html

    Image Gallery Sites

    These are all listed in the Image Galleries category. Sites listed in this category should have at least the following qualities, and fit the category definition(s) for Image Galleries:

    * At least 20 pictures, except for daily posts, and the provision of images must be the clear and undisputed purpose of the site.
    A URL should resolve to warning or entry page when present on the site. The URL should not bypass a warning entry page, and you should check to see if one is available if the submitted URL resolves directly to the actual content
    * Site should contain at least 1 warning/entry page + 1 image gallery.
    * Acceptable content must include images, but may include adult stories, jokes, interactive games, links to other sites, and or other content deemed valuable by the editor reviewing the site. Advertising and affiliate links should never factor into the determination of a site's value. Also, link pages that are primarily directed to affiliate sites are not deemed to be content for the purposes of meeting the 2 page minimum
    * The same pictures may exist on more than one site (e.g. third party licensed/sponsored content)
    * Sites with the exact same sets of images: If any two sites from two unaffiliated sources contain exactly the same images, then you should list the best site. If you are affiliated with one of the sites, you may list your site. However you should also list the other site that is not yours. This is only fair. If there is more than one to chose from, generally pick the one that offers the best user experience --- this means the one with the best navigation, design, low ratio of ads to content, etc. Showing favoritism for affiliated sites, and denying listings of competing sites, is considered abuse. Evidence of repeated favoritism and biased editing will result in removal of editing privileges.
    * Sites sharing some of the same images: If any two sites share the same images, but also have images unique to each site, then both can be added. For example, a site which contains only the same 20 pictures as on another site, with no additional or variation of pictures would not be considered to have unique content. However, a site which contains any number of the same pictures, and some combination of any other content not contained on the first site or any other listed site would be considered to be offering enough unique content
    * Single Page Image Galleries: These are sites that consist of a single page, with direct links to a set of images. Sites of this type are not listed in the directory, because their content tends to be transient.
     
    lmocr, Mar 25, 2006 IP
  11. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #231
    Gee... I wonder who thought up THOSE rules and who stands to gain by them? :rolleyes:

    It really doesn't matter how often you or sid or anyone else quotes DMOZ rules to say they are not cloned content doorway pages by DMOZ definitions. No one with an ounce of intelligence or integrity would be fooled for a moment. Why is it that Adult editors are apparently so "gullible", do you think?
     
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  12. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #232
    imocr

    your "translation" of guideline makes no sense but I am sure it does not matter for you. After all previously you stated you are a mother but "affirmative view" pedophilia listings were not a problem for you.
    You stated that you work with horses and like horses but bestiality listings and rape of horses are no problem for you. So why should corruption be any different? :rolleyes:

    I need an ebook on the subject of "Art of ass kissing" and I thought since you are such an expert, may be you would like to write it for me. If interested PM me with with the price. ;)
     
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  13. pagode

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    #233
    This was not a translation. It is the exact text copied from the DMOZ guidelines (link given in the lmocr's previous post).

    Your presentations of the guidelines on the other hand are personal transaltions and interpretations. FI you seem only to copy those parts of the text that fit your purpose and leave out the parts that don't fit.
     
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  14. lmocr

    lmocr Peon

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    #234
    Care to prove that I said any such thing? You won't find it here or internally. Or anything remotely close to that. Pretty typical crap - if ya can't win, play the slander game.

    It's kind of hard to "translate" when all you do is copy and paste - anyone can follow the link I posted and scroll down to the bolded "Image Gallery Sites" - verbatim from the Adult guidelines.
     
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  15. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #235
    I believe the Resourceless Zone invented that "game" so it's no surprise you're very familiar with it.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #236
    What none of you DMOZ apologists seem to understand is that that doesn't make it better - that makes it more pathetic.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #237
    What you don't get is that the first part already stated that this type of page can not be listed. The second part that imocr refers to, talks about an actual site which has a content and it is acceptable that it can possibly have an affiliate link to. A big porn site can have occasional affiliate link to another site but these listings are not a site, these are affiliate door way pages according to DMOZ guideline.

    imocr argument becomes even more ridiculous when she herself quotes this:

    "Sites with the exact same sets of images: If any two sites from two unaffiliated sources contain exactly the same images, then you should list the best site. "

    Don't you agree the main site which these pages are affiliate to is the best site because that is the real site with content instead of a simple page with 15 pictures? :rolleyes:

    I invite anyone who doubt my word to read the thread about DMOZ listing of pro pedophilia sites and enjoy imocr defense of pro pedophilia and bestiality sites listings by DMOZ.
     
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  18. lmocr

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    #238
    Issue #1: Oh I see - you object to the listing of sites that offer free photos. You would rather the sites that are advertised on the sites that offer free photos (and charge for the viewing) be listed. Getting some kickbacks there? :rolleyes:

    I'll go through the guidelines with one site - see if I can figure out how that site got listed:

    Site number 1 -
    1. Guideline: Sites that (for example) sell products or services provided by another company. Doesn't apply - since the site is offering free photos.
    2. Guideline: Sites that do nothing more than link to another site and have absolutely no content of their own. Doesn't apply - click on Enter and you stay on the same site - content is free photos.
    3. Guideline: A redirect is conceptually similar to a doorway site in that they link to a different site. Doesn't apply - see #2.
    4. Guideline: Do not list sites where advertising and affiliate links overpower actual content. Many sites have banner intensive splash pages and full-page ads, but the actual content pages include few banner ads and affiliate links. These may be OK to list. Content pages have two banner ads and a couple of links.
    5. Guideline: The link to a site's actual content should be easy to find on the site's main page, and appear obvious to the average, reasonable end-user.
    It is.
    6. Guideline: At least 20 pictures, except for daily posts, and the provision of images must be the clear and undisputed purpose of the site.There are 60 pictures (plus a few more of another individual) on this site - the only thing other than photos is advertising.
    7. Guideline: Site should contain at least 1 warning/entry page + 1 image gallery.Site contains 1 warning page, 1 contents page, and 3 image galleries.
    8. Guideline: The same pictures may exist on more than one site Maybe it does.
    9. Guideline: Sites with the exact same sets of images: If any two sites from two unaffiliated sources contain exactly the same images, then you should list the best site.The other listed site does not have the exact same images.
    10. Guideline: Sites sharing some of the same images: If any two sites share the same images, but also have images unique to each site, then both can be added.The other listed site does not have any of the same images.
    11. Guideline: Single Page Image Galleries: These are sites that consist of a single page, with direct links to a set of images.Doesn't apply.

    I think it got listed because it met all the guidelines - based on the current guidelines if it was deleted it could be considered editor abuse.

    Issue #2: Shouldn't be too hard for anyone to read through my posts in that long thread - I didn't post there that often. But since you have already read the thread - why don't you find a post of mine, any post that substantiates what you said above, and link to it. I already know why you won't do that - because you can't find one. On the other hand, I can find at least two of my posts in that thread that directly refute what you've stated.

    Here I'll start - here's one of the postings - http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=612691#post612691 - do I need to post what sidjf said? Ok your turn - post a link supporting what you said.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #239
    Doesn't matter how many time you post the guideline and then claim these listings are according to guideline; the more you post, the more obvious the idiocy of your postings becomes and shows the only reason that you defend such listings is because of your ambitions in DMOZ.
    ;)


    1) this site is selling membership to the main porn site and receives commission through affiliate program as anybody can go to the page and check and even see their affiliate ID. :rolleyes:

    "ODP ADULT GUIDELINES
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    Affiliate Sites

    Sites that (for example) sell products or services provided by another company and make a small margin on the sale. These are sometimes called reseller or franchise sites. They may seem to have unique content, but the product descriptions and/or images come from elsewhere. In general do not list affiliate sites unless the affiliate has strong, high quality content of its own that end-users will find really useful."


    Since the first point proves that these pages are not listable, I don't need to answer the rest of your BS. ;)

    Here is the link to my arguments against listing of bestiality sites and imocr defense, why it is OK for DMOZ to list it.

    Read that thread and every posting by imocr is in defense of why is nothing wrong with DMOZ listing pro pedophilia sites.
     
    gworld, Mar 26, 2006 IP
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    #240
    NO. This whole thread only shows that you are not interested in what the guidelines mean.
    As I have written before. If you want to chance these guidelines you can join the discussions in the DMOZ internal forum (you have claimed yourself to be an editor). It doesn't matter how long you will go on posting your opinion here at DP it will have no influence on the DMOZ internal discussion and on the guidelines.
     
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