Hey Guys, Today I came across a new SCAM wandering around for quite sometime now, but I never noticed it either till today, I couldn't think of a better title than this by using a word "SCAM" but after reading this you will know why its a SCAM. So I am promoting this product called "Money Robot Submitter" for sometime now, They have their own customized affiliate system there, not related to clickbank, jvzoo etc. So for sometime I have been promoting this and looking into the system, I have had 323 unique referral clicks but there is no single sale. Surprisingly, today one of the user wanted to buy some tools and I gave him my affiliate links to all those products, some of them were through jvzoo and others were through paydotcom and one was this Money Robot Submitter, after successful purchases I went into look for a sales in the systems, there were sales in jvzoo and paydotcom but there wasn't a sale in Money Robot Submitter, I confirmed with the user if he really purchased it and he said he did. Now I was confirmed that something is fishy going on in this system, So I went to the owner of the product/affliate site, I had a long useless talk with him to be honest and wasted my time over it, I will attach the chat in here, But those who don't want to read I will summarize it for you here. The chat strts with the owner asking me about the paypal id of the user who bought the software and he confirmed that there was a sale from this user today, To clearify why I didn't get a sale when he purchased was "Their affiliate system works in such a way that if he has clicked some affiliate link before, and goes to another site and click some other link, or third or fourth link, they all will be ignored and only first one gets the commission" I mean seriously what the hell? To clearify he says it is to protect the rights of affiliates, then why the major affiliate sites doesn't work this way? Take Clickbank, Jvzoo, Digiresults, PayDotCom there are tons, I have never heard in my 8 years of experience that only first affliate person gets the commission no matter if the buyer even clicks your button in the end! He went further clearifying how its good with the system, if the buyer goes to some site to buy the product and then further on he searches on google for "coupon codes" for that product (thats what my task is usually, providing coupons/discount to all the products) and end up on a site with fake coupon sites, the other affiliate will benefit from the first one, then my question was what if the person first reaches the fake promotional site and not the real promoter? the real promoter will then be in big loss, What if the person is "cookied" through illegal ways (like iframing, fake images in signature or posts) that means the real promoters will never be able to take benefit even if the buyer clicks on their Sales button, it won't go to their affiliate account, it will go to the first affiliator who is either real or a scammer. I can't believe how funny this is in the end, he even tells me how his affiliates are poor and that they have to pay their monthly bills as quoted here: The thing he talks about fake promotional codes is useless, because if the user first reaches the fake promotional site rather than the real promoter site than the real promoter will always be in loss, In the beginning when I started promoting this product, he provided me the coupon code to the software himself. He even knows the financial position of their affiliates, like all these affiliates are his friends I guess, He knows how a buyer can reach a fake promotion codes site (in the second time) but he doesn't realise what if he reaches there first and what if the link is already opened in iframe etc as i mentioned earlier then what will happen to the real promoter? In every system the last affiliate button that is clicked is count to prevent any frauds. In the beginning he said that the paypal user bought this product and to stop me from posting this in discussions, he said he will credit this sale in my account, an hour later when we stopped talking he says, I think I have mistaken the email with someone else and that if I could provide the email again "Again trying to save himself" - I didn't reply. 4 hours later he says this... This guy is so confused that he posted a screen shot where it shows a lifetime license, where in chat he says the user didn't buy the lifetime, monthly, And look at the email, its not even the email I provided him, The guy has totally lost his mind now, first he says, he found the order, then he says its not found, then he says he found it again but its fraud, come on now.. its not even about the order that is legit or fraud, its about the system that is the real fraud. What are your opinion guys? 1. If a user searches a product "Money Robot Submitter review" in Google, it comes up with 2 links that the user is interested about, he opens the first one but he is not satisfied with that link and reviews or whatever the nature of the site is, but that link contained an Iframe that opened his affiliate link. Now he opens the second link with which hes satisfied, he's satisfied with the reviews and quality of the real marketing tactics and buys the product, then the second link will never receive the commission as the system works on first affiliate link only and others are ignored? To be honest I think its a SCAM and a pre-made excuse that he tells everyone that faces this issue, and he tells everyone the same reason when the promoters report it. 2. There are experienced affiliators in here, What do you think a user like me should do if he faces such issue? Should I stop promoting this product now? 3. It is due to such people who have customized affiliate system that people don't trust customized affiliate systems anymore, It's like they can change anything anytime and take all the sales in to their account, I even read on other forums where people have advised that It's not good to promote products that have their own affiliate system as it can be manipulated anytime. 4. I dont say that all the product owners are bad like this, but I think after such experience I am not going to use any custom affiliate system and its better to first research then starting to promote products such as Money Robot Submitter.
I spoke with Nick from Money Robot about this matter and he confirmed that this person is actually the one who made the scam, he made fraudulent payment with stolen credit cards using his affiliate link and then he ask for commission instantly. 2checkout was informing Money Robot about this fraud transaction and the funds were refunded to the credit card owner, as a normal procedure his affiliate account was banned for fraud. Now lets see where is the SCAM ? There is an affiliate that is promoting the link, that link is used on a fraud transaction, the money are refunded and the affiliate is banned. How Money Robot scammed somebody ?
Have you read out the full conversation? I think you're not. Then first read and if you need a proof of skype conversation via teamviewer then you're most welcome. Not only you everyone on this forum who need a live proof of conversation are most welcome. So then you'll decide which is right and which is not. One thing more it is not personal. I'm giving awareness to other people how people game the system that i've learned from this experience. Talk to him and ask him what I've mentioned here is right or not, then if he'll say "NO i am lying" then i'll post all the f**king proof here with screenshots and a video of the chat.
LOL this is quite funny, is not personal but you've posted in another forum the same story What to say thank you for advertising
So you're here to cover the scam game, GOT IT Man, keep up the scamming. P.S This story is for other affiliate marketers, not for the Admins or Staff of MRS. You know whats funny? The funny thing is you're Nick actually, you're not the one speaking with Nick (The owner of Money Robot Submitter) - You yourself has posted screen shots of affiliate administration on other forum (BHW) and here you're saying you spoke with Nick?
I've answered on BHW - so no need to write here again. Please be sure that you know with whom you're talking about first
I needed to prepare all the proofs because the user is trying to talk bad about Money Robot Submitter and his team. Fact that is hard to understand, you call a scam when somebody is taking your money, but in fact you didn’t have the money, you didn’t made the sell that you’re claiming, as well from your affiliate account was made a payment with a stolen Credit Card (fact already proved by 2checkout). I have to take the story from start to don’t have any doubts and to clear for whom even will read this thread. We have 2 actions that were made from the collaboration made with the person that is on: DigitalPoint – SoftDev BlackHatWorld – JasonS Skype - -iMMi- We may call this person Affiliate ONE. The story is simple but has to be presented clear and with all the information on the table. We have on the date of 26 November 2013 an access from an IP: 184.160.214.17 made from an affiliate account. http://www.screencast.com/t/WWk6vr6L We have on the date of 29 November 2013 an access from the same IP: 184.160.214.17 made from another affiliate account. http://www.screencast.com/t/kjfEAhbg75U We have a payment made on 28 November 2013 (maybe here is a problem of the timeline) made from the same IP: 184.160.214.17 http://www.screencast.com/t/hBqGjhfOJjhW All ok until now but the payment that was made was using an promotional CODE that belongs to the 1st affiliate as you may see: http://www.screencast.com/t/g1S9laE4 So the Affiliate ONE had a click from the buyer but the buyer used a CODE from another affiliate. As well, we explained very well that in our system are remaining all the accesses and we’ll pay the first link that was clicked, more than that the buyer was using the affiliate code from another one then the Affiliate ONE. http://www.screencast.com/t/Y1X6toDa5 After this, we have another transaction made from this IP: 61.220.119.222 that came as well from the Affiliate ONE. http://www.screencast.com/t/LfpM8reT9l8v This payment had to be refunded because was made with a Credit Card that refused the transaction as you can see: http://www.screencast.com/t/fahFbENTGKPl So, we was expecting that this payment was a good one, the Affiliate ONE was about to win a good commission but when we had the confirmation from the payment processor (2checkout) that this payment is a fraudulent one, based on our internal regulation the affiliate account of Affiliate ONE was banned without any discussions. For any other explanation I’m more than happy to discuss but I hope that now I was more than clear.
Oh god, I dont know what this guy is thinking, You're making such a fool of yourself here, Look at the chat we had, and everyone will be clear what I meant. Let me clarify it for you here. The thing is when I first asked you about the payment made on my affiliate, you said there was one single transaction only that I asked you about, You went on clearing yourself that this payment first had another cookie installed then he clicked on my link, and you offered me to credit the sale for me. Why would you do that, Why won't you keep your Cookie rules on my last transaction too? 4 hours Later you say there is no transaction and I must have mistaken it with someone else, Yesterday you said there was a transaction that was made that was with a Taiwan IP, Seriously? You took a day to figure out if there was a sale in my account? This was not even the order I asked you about LOL, My user was from BHW, Later on in your comments you also posted a screen shot of your affiliate manager, where you have pointed clearly the USA buyer (whose referrer is BHW) That was my actual client, not the Taiwan one. (I have all the chats with that user in my PM here, If the admins/mods want to check it out, they can, its not a taiwan user, its a USA user, you again confused yourself). You even told me the user bought a monthly payment, but you ended up showing me a screen shot of Taiwan user who has a Lifetime license that I wasn't even aware about Lol. And about all the other transactions, I dont understand your very good english whether they all were in my account or another affiliate accounts? If they were all fraud from day one from single IP, he should be banned from that day, why be allowed till now? Even though If I say its a fraud transaction, I didn't make it. And Affiliate companies don't ban you if you get a fraud payment, They usually deal with it, Not banning the promoter. To be honest you need to grow up. To save yourself you even offered me the money for the commission first to save yourself, Why did you do that if it was coming from another affiliate cookie first? I am seriously done typing here, I can't explain myself here over and over how this guy is a fraud and I am done typing on the same thing that is clear on the first post from day one. See Guys? You get banned next time if you get a fraudlant payment, Way to go.