Mitt Romney's Speech: Faith in America

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by chulium, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #21
    I think you need to read and consider some of the criticisms of the speech. Just consider them. A lot of people (myself included) heard an undertone of bigotry towards secularism.

    If you don't have religion, you can't be free. Sounds a lot like a preacher, not a Presidential candidate. Americans have an equal right to believe in what they want, even if that is nothing.
     
    guerilla, Dec 10, 2007 IP
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #22
    Here is an example of what I am talking about.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvLTxXp1k8

    Excellent analysis, with historical perspective, and even some props for Romney, but an acknowledgment that religion was never intended to influence policy or decide who is or is not a good American.
     
    guerilla, Dec 10, 2007 IP
  3. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Okay, tell me something I don't know. His religion isn't. His faith is. Religion is just an organized portal for faith. Everyone - every president - has faith. (Or should.)
     
    chulium, Dec 10, 2007 IP
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    #24
    LMAO that's comical, he lives here in DP P&R. :D
     
    AGS, Dec 10, 2007 IP
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    #25
    Ok, but he didn't talk about faith, he talked about religion, and in particular, secularism.

    A President must be willing to see the rights of all citizens EQUALLY under the law (and behavior of governance) regardless of their religion, or lack thereof.

    Kennedy spoke about how religion was a private matter. Romney really did a weird turn when he started speaking about religion being a public matter.
     
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  6. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #26
    *shakes head* He was saying he would see all religions equally (so long as they weren't violent or anything of course - are you saying we should accept radical Islam?)! Not that he was going to discriminate against anybody. HENCE HIS SPEECH.
     
    chulium, Dec 10, 2007 IP
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    #27
    And what did he say about Secular America?
     
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    SolutionX Peon

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    #28
    My only problem with having someone very religious in the white house right now is because we let Bush tear down a lot of the separation of church and state. I've been saying this all along (not online), that if Bush kept doing that, next thing we know another, even more aggressive religion will be able to have too much power over us through the laws. I don't even want Huckabee in right now because he votes based on his faith.

    There is someone else out there who doesn't want to push his religion or use it in the White house for power, but rather wants to use the constitution as a guide for the laws + get back the separation of church and state. How about Romney/Huckabee 2012 ;P
     
    SolutionX, Dec 11, 2007 IP
  9. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #29
    First time to disagree with you GTech, but...

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/huckabee.mormons/index.html#cnnSTCText

    At least he's apologizing, but I think it's more of a political act than anything else.
     
    chulium, Dec 14, 2007 IP
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    #30
    'Hey you know what? If you'll give me national television time, I'll make you a God speech, and I'll tell you what I'll do, I'll throw in an offering and an altar call to throw in with it.'

    LOL At least its really about faith and not politics:rolleyes:
     
    earthfaze, Dec 14, 2007 IP
  11. iul

    iul Well-Known Member

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    #31
    what Romney was actually saying in that speech is "I'm a freakin' mormon but at least I'm not an atheist. I'm just as fanatical as you are"
     
    iul, Dec 15, 2007 IP
  12. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Yep.

    "You can vote for me, I stand for god, faith, and religion like you, just a slightly different brand. It's those damn secularists we need to worry about, I'm a good ol' boy."
     
    omgitsfletch, Dec 15, 2007 IP