Mischief that could get you put to death according to Islam

I know, I am still waiting for you and Gtech to answer if you are for or against death penalty?

 

gworld... your lack of understanding of the Bible is astounding considering you wish to challenge it so. Kalvin is exactly right, the quote you have placed in the mouth of Jesus is a parable He spoke, not of Himself, (his life, unlike mo's, is proof enough of this), but of a fictitional character.

Now, hold on a minute - ain't you the guy who wanted to spearate religion, to suit your own self, out of this Forum? No wonder... you are apparently clueless.

You must read v 14 to discover who the fictional character in Jesus's parable was addressing.

You're a funny kind'a guy, gworld... you seem smart enough to actually research a subject before you insert your foot soundly in your mouth, yet you do not.

 

I didn't realize that bible was just a collection of nonsense and Jesus was just bull shitting with his friends, I though the reason that story was told in bible was because they wanted to send a message or teach something.

It is funny that you guys find an obscure story about Islam and then make up stories about it, even when Muslims tell you that it is not in Koran but when it comes to something that is actually in Bible, you have thousand of excuses.

Both Islam and Christianity are violent religions and actually if you look in the history, through out the history Christianity was a force behind the advancement of finding new ways to kill more efficiently and in larger numbers. They had an excuse that they were living in a violent times, what is your excuse for supporting death penalty in this age while complaining about the Muslims have it in their laws? Do you mean Christians have a right to execute people including the teenagers but Muslims don't? Stop being a hypocrites.

 

Well I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35


GTech you should be following and practising the laws of the OT, Jesus commanded you too, Now why would he do that if he 'came and fulfilled the Old Testament prophecy'

 

One of these days a Muslim is going to come on here and enlighten us about Islam instead of acting like a little child and pointing fingers.

If you want to go on and on about the OT then start your own thread. Otherwise since you're not demonstrating otherwise, I'm going to have to assume that the list of "mischiefs" that will get you killed is correct.

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished"

All was accomplished when he died on the cross. Now stop being silly and stay on topic. This thread is not about understanding Christianity. It's about understanding Islam. In particular, what constitutes "mischief?"

Now, stop hijacking my threads.

 

Do you mean like you do with pointing fingers against Muslims? You are just too upset that we don't let you spread your hatred without objection by civilized people and we shine a light on your bigotry.

 

One of theses days, just one of these we will get a Christian on these forums who is not a fanatic. All you Christians on these forums seem to know alot more about Islam then the muslims and even your own religion....now maybe thats telling you something.

GTech refused to accept quotes from the OT (as most of you christians do ) and I was merely informing him that Jesus commanded him to follow the OT(but then again you, him and others will probably deny this).
Somehow you seem unsatisfied with Christianity and seem to try and search for the answers in Islam- from what I can see you have about two or three threads about the definition of 'mischeif' in the Quran. And hows this for you- the word from that verse in the Quran that you translated into mischief does not translate into mischief but another word which doesn't have a translation in your english language. But then again you won't accept that and will just accuse me of playing the translation card or denial. But what I don't understand is if you think that the Quran is just all made up why are tying yourself up in knots about what defines mischeif.

 

Because I want to know where Islamic states and other terrorist organizations get the idea that murdering people for rejecting Islam is okay. It's obvious you have a huge problem with that part of the verse because you edited it out. That tends to make people wonder why it's so terrible that you don't want to let people know what that verse really say.

Seems to me I've nailed it on the head. All you can seem to do is try to deflect attention from it rather than just address it head on.

If "mischief" isn't the right word then what is?

 

I can't give you a word for it, because a translation of the word in english does not occur. Thats why many times it has been translated as mischief, chaos etc...

I've told you how terrorists support their behaviour- by misinterprating the Quran- (but you won't believe that)

I don't have a problem with any part of the Quran, I have read it and understood it, And there is no point in me trying to explain it to someone who will refuse to see it from that point of view- Its like banging your head on a brick wall.

I'll tell you whats MORE terrible then 'mischief', its your bible actually telling you to go and kill someone for stupid reasons. But you just dismiss that by saying its part of the OT, well I've found verses in your NT where Jesus has commanded you to follow the OT- so what you waiting for......?

If you really want the true meaning of anything in the Quran ask Allah, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to help because only he knows the true true meaning of the Quran- as its all his word Unlike the bible- which is made up of: John said, Matthew said etc etc.

 

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How can you possibly know that if you don't even know what the Koran says?

 

Incorrect. You've simply copied/pasted from an anti-Christian site:

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

Saying that you assembled them is simply a lie. You are taking credit for work which is not yours and to do so, you omitted the source from where you plagerized the content and took credit for doing it yourself.

That would make you both a liar and thief, no?

 

We? So now you are admitting you are muslim? I've often wondered. It's not uncommon from one to claim they are atheist, but in reality are muslim, so they can bash Christians and Jews the way you do. By doing so, they shield themselves, like cowards, from countering positions.

Now we know where the real bigotry comes from.

 

What did Allah tell you that "mischief in the land" should be interpreted as?

 

We refers to all civilized people independent of race and religion who shine a light on hateful, racist bigots.

If you look through different threads, people from different countries, races and religion beliefs condemn you and your friends.

 

Such as yourself, for constantly bashing America, Christians, Jews and dmoz. Of course, you never have a bad word for terrorists though, do you?

As do many here, condemn you and your friends in Iraq that are losing

 

I didn't realize it was so hateful to want to learn more about Islam and expect supporting evidence instead of just hearsay.

 

I some times wonder what is the worst thing about bigots like you, their hatred for all people who are different or the fact that they are not even smart enough to be able to engage in a discussion and come up with semi-intelligent argument.

 

I'm still waiting for an intelligent evidence supported argument against the list of "mischiefs" that will get you killed in Islam.

I'm also still waiting for an intelligent evidence supported definition for the word that was "wrongly" translated as "mischief"

I'm also still waiting for an intelligent evidence supported list of all the things that warrent the death penalty in Islam. A complete list.

 

There is no country called Islam, if you want to know in what Islamic countries they have death penalty then I suggest you look at the criminal code of those countries. Partial list of countries that still have death penalty includes Iran, Saudi Arabia, China and USA.

I am still waiting for your answer if you are for or against death penalty.

 

Well Keep waiting then, I'm sure you are in no rush..... I doubt you'll find anyone of the intelligence level you require.

And I'm still waiting to find out why you claim Jesus fulfilled the OT theory, but still commanded you to follow it, Which you aren't doing of course tut tut...