Mining your log for more traffic

Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by wizardofx, Sep 9, 2006.

  1. #1
    Basically it enhances your long tail results.

    What I did was this. I opened up Urchin and adjusted the
    "dates" range to cover the last year.

    Then I opened up search terms. There are over a million
    in my data base. (of these 800,000 were for only one visitor each)

    The I filtered for my MAIN keywords one at a time. For
    example I could type in "Computer" to the filter and I would
    have a list of all the search terms that used "computer."

    I then snag the top 100 by exporting a spreadsheet and use
    it to create a new page called "computer index"

    This page is just a list of the top 100 long search terms and make
    each a text link to the web page on my site that I would like
    people to visit if they type in that search phrase.

    Why 100 terms? Because Google doesn't like to see more
    than 100 links on a page. I usually end up with 80 or so
    that remain when I am finished, because some of the top 100 are not relavent
    to my site, or contain phrases that will attract people that I
    don't want to attract.

    This does two things, first it tells Google that I have a page that
    matches the long key phrase because it is a text link to this page.

    Second, it gives me a landing page with tons of words that are related
    to my business, giving me great latent semantics.
     
    wizardofx, Sep 9, 2006 IP
  2. andre75

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    #2
    Very interesting post. I have always checked my logs for keywords and tried to built some extral links with some of the information.
    I am not a big fan of landing (link) pages though.
     
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    Good tips, I never check (in fact, i don't know how to check) my logs .I will take your advice and check my logs right away
     
    hotpop, Sep 10, 2006 IP
  4. roadies

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    Nice tips wizardofx. Any possibility of seeing an example (perhaps via PM)?
     
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    I always check my logs to check the referring sites and how effective marketing is
     
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  6. wizardofx

    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    Neither am I a fan of landing pages. I hope that noone ever
    lands on those pages, though some do, I have to admit. Sometimes
    when I type into google the search phrase on my "index" it
    lists both the content page and the index page, but most of the time
    it is just the content page, or two of my content pages.

    And I still consider this white hat. After all, I am not trying to
    suck people into my site on false pretences. I don't use words that
    are not pertinent to my site. I am just trying to point out
    that I have exactly what they are looking for, whether free information
    or for-sale products.

    In fact, when I find a phrase on my list of 100 that isn't applicable to my site I deleted
    it, no matter how popular it is.

    Since these are mostly long-tail key phrases they are rarely used again
    by searchers. This is why I don't get many referrals to the index pages.
    But I am usually in the top 3 on google for these phrases (they are long
    tail after all).

    Again, the point is to point google toward the content pages, not to get people
    to come to the index pages. I don't use advertising on the index pages.
    Doing this with phrases that were actually used by people that found my pages
    intensifies my long-tail results.

    And it works best if you have log analysis software that will let you find and rank these
    search phrases easily.

    best regards
    wiz
     
    wizardofx, Sep 11, 2006 IP
  7. pondlife

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    Hi,

    I'm new to this and have a few questions:

    1. Does Google make a note of the IP address of pages that link to a site?

    If I have many domains on one server and each of those domains links to another on the same server will Google know and ignore them?

    2. You say there's a limit to the amount of links on a page - is there a limit to how long the links can be? (how many characters?)

    I've seen lots of SEO stuff that uses paragraph-long text links - what's the optimum limit?

    Cheers, pondlife.
     
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  8. wizardofx

    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    1. Sure it does. You won't get as much credibility linking from the same server
    but that isn't what I am talking about. It doesn't matter
    that I am linking
    within my own URL, because I am not trying to raise my
    PR
    I am trying to let Google know that certain long tail key phrases
    pertain to these pages.

    So what do you mean by google ignoring them? If every one of those
    sites is referring back with the same key words it is a waste
    because google caught to what the page is about the first time.
    If you are trying to boost your PR, they probably caught onto that too.

    2. Google's SEO advice page says (or used to say) to keep the links
    on one page below 100 or so. The length of a link isn't mentioned
    but I suspect that if the reason that your URL is long is because it
    is from a free web hosting service they will take that into account

    3. Paragraph long URLs? I don't know the point to that.
     
    wizardofx, Sep 13, 2006 IP
  9. bigmack

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    Nice tip, never thought about taking all those long tail terms and linking them off to the appropriate pages like that.
     
    bigmack, Sep 13, 2006 IP
  10. wizardofx

    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    About 15 months later I am updating my index pages and I
    thought I would go back to Urchin to see how I did.

    One 4 word key phrase got 2.3 times more hits this year
    than last year, increasing from 1741 to 4107 visitors.

    Another 3 word phrase went to 37 to 105 visitors. And longer tail
    phrases that contained this 3 word phrase went from
    232 to 408 visitors.

    And the two-word phrase that this particular index page was
    targeted for went from 17000 to 25000, and increase of 47%.

    We get about $3 in sales per visitor on these targeted phrases
    so I figure this page made me at least an extra $24000
    in sales this year.

    I was actually hoping for bigger results than these, but
    $24k is not bad for a Saturday's afternoon work.

    best regards
    wiz
     
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  11. Perry Rose

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    #11
    I don't get it. I must be tired. Sorry.

    You have over a million search terms in your database? Why? Do you have tens of thousands of products you sell???

    Why not optimize each page in your site for the most typed in keywords? Which are only a handful, anyway.
     
    Perry Rose, Dec 15, 2007 IP
  12. wizardofx

    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    Because my customers don't do simple searches. They do
    complicated searches. I am optimised for what I think they
    should be looking for, but they don't often search on that.

    For example, I am not doing Las Vegas Vacations, but if I was
    my customers would be searching

    8 day vegas stay pink bedspread 2nd-honeymoon

    kind of stuff. And only one person would do that, everyone
    else would come up with something equally hard to SEO.

    Maybe my business is unique, I sell to engineers, but I suspect
    that most customers are finding that if they just type in
    a simple keyword they find a million sites that they have to
    sort through to find what they want. They know that if they
    put in a few more key words they can maximize their search.

    SEO on simple keywords worked 10 years ago, but it doesn't
    work for me today.

    In the last week my most optimized key phrase got the most
    hits at 675. That page had 211 different key phrases, but
    the page itself had 14,000 visitors (evidently a lot of searches
    didn't even have one of the two words that I think are fundamental
    to the page). And my entire site had 170,000 page views.

    You can't optimize one page for 211 different key phrases,
    so how do you suggest I optimize my site? And why bother when
    only 137 of had 2 or more searches.

    It turns out that I am #1 in Google for a million different
    search terms. Unfortunately I only get 1 hit from each one
    of them, and I don't mean one hit per year:)
     
    wizardofx, Dec 17, 2007 IP
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    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    We have about 700 pages, about half with products and the
    other half with technical information.
     
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  14. Perry Rose

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    Thanks for the reply back.

    Yeah, with one million search terms, one would have to have one hell of a lot of items. Whew.

    If you get one hit from each of those terms, like you said, shouldn't you have had more than the 675 hits you got in the last week, and more than 170,000 page views so far?

    Just curious...how 'bout throwing up a hundred of the terms listed as #1?
     
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  15. wizardofx

    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    We got 675 hits from our most popular keyword in the last
    6 days, we had 32,000 keywords used during that 6 days.

    Since we are #1 in google, msn and yahoo on that keyword
    SEO won't help get more traffic from that one.

    best regards
    wiz
     
    wizardofx, Dec 17, 2007 IP
  16. Tom Thumb

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    Nice post , I check on a regular basis and also use a script to add search terms to my keyword list.


    p.s. My Profile Picture is an invisible picture of a Jenifer Anniston nude :)
     
    Tom Thumb, Dec 17, 2007 IP