Mike Huckabee mocking God for a cheap political stunt

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by guerilla, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #21
    Well, I've put up with enough Ron Paul attack threads and posts. This isn't a vote for Ron Paul thread, it's a look at another candidate, and then tell me why you support them.

    For example, you wrote off this thread as vote for Ron Paul, but you didn't debate my point on what I think a pro-life candidate is. So the question is, do you agree with my stance on being pro-life meaning that all life should be respected? How about answering the question Huckabee dodged? Would Jesus be for the death penalty?

    The worst thing that has happened in America in recent history, is that no one wants to debate anymore. There is no research, no discourse, nothing. No appreciation or understanding of history, no intellectual curiosity.

    I can count on 2 hands the number of members of this forum who are actually willing to debate, source and learn from one another. And 2 of those are foreigners.
     
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    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #22
    The political game has seeped into our everyday way of life. Never is it about the issues anymore, the whole concern is who said it, what their history is, why they said it; debate has turned into one big ad hominem attack.

    I'm not going to play the blame game, so let's start fresh. There are people in here for and against the death penalty, I'm sure. So for those who are for the death penalty, are you a self-declared Christian? If so, what do you think Jesus would do, and why?
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Why does it matter whether Jesus is for the death penalty? What does that have to do with who is president? In terms of the debate, why don't we get down to the serious questions, and quit trying to be silly like alot of the you-tube videos were the other night. If one of the candidates really wanted to be #1, then they would have told the audience the other night that they weren't going to put up with the crap that CNN was throwing at them that had nothing to do with being president.

    In terms of Huckabee, I will agree with lots of others in this thread that you are the one reading into the response. I think he did a good job of answering the question and I do not think he was mocking God. Like many others in here, I too do not expect anything less from you though, and like I said...this is nothing more than a chance for you to spam Ron Paul.
     
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    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #24
    It matters because Christians use God to back up EVERY ONE OF THEIR ARGUMENTS. Christians try to legislate based on their beliefs for many issues, the main one being abortion. So what Jesus would do as far as the death penalty is COMPLETELY relevant as an issue. If you think life is sacred and that God is the all-knowing who decides life, then how can you at the same time back government-sanctioned killing? It's a hypocritical stance and you apparently can dance as well as Huckabee when it comes to avoiding it.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #25
    d16, please don't resort to calling me a spammer. That's exactly what I am talking about. Debate ends before it can begin with name calling.

    Mia did it the other day, implying that I "made up facts" and yet when I offered to defend them, he refused to post the ones he claims I made up.

    It defeats any opportunity for productive discourse.

    And I agree with Fletch. Huckabee wants to be the President with a Christian conscience, and claims he will look to God to guide his decisions. I think his interpretation of the word of God is incredibly relevant to what kind of President he will be.
     
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    #26
    But I disagree....I am a Christian, and I do not use God in all of my arguments....I think that is only a true statement when you want it to be...and rather than be a true statement, it is actually more of an opinion.
     
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    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Ok, let me revise my original statement, because it was a bit exaggerated; for that I apologize. Christians don't use God in all arguments. They don't justify the tax code with passages from the Bible. But on a lot of moral issues, they look to their Holy Book as a justification for their actions, and for some direction on morality and values. That is one of the primary reasons behind their pro-life stance. It is also a huge reason behind their anti-gay marriage stance.

    My point, and I think the point of the original question is, "If you are going to use Jesus/God/The Bible to justify your moral code and your ethics, what would Jesus think of the death penalty?" If Jesus is the guiding force in your life and who you look to as you decide the actions in your life, do you honestly believe Jesus would condone the death penalty? If you do, well by all means present your case and your evidence through scripture to support that stance. But if you don't, why do you selectively choose to look to Jesus when defining your character? I'm not entirely opposed to a person who looks to the Bible for guidance in their lives being my President, but I am absolutely opposed to someone who cherry picks when they want to use the Bible to back their arguments, and ignore it when it conflicts with their wishes, and yet still want to claim to be the most pious man on stage.
     
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