Despite my feelings about him, Huck is doing good. I wish Ron Paul was polling like him, if only for the publicity for the platform. At the same time, I'm happy with where we are at. There is a ton of progress being made, and most importantly, beneath the radar.
Rub3x: What you just posted was a clear and direct personal attack on GTech. Please, if you have nothing to contribute to the conversation except for personal attacks -- take it to PM!
Ok..compare posts. Me: It's scary someone who is openly dishonest is even considered. Hell I guess I would destroy 90 hard drives too if I miss-used town funds. I guess we have another typical faith/moral based GOP candidate! Sources: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=282516 http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=57383429-8bb1-4e83-9741-2075e14c7cf3 Gtech's responce: He call both of my sources "fourth rate hack journalists". He then, seemingly for no reason calls Ron Paul a "white supremacist". Sad. Textbook Ad hominem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
And if those fourth rate hack journalists were DP members, he could PM them. But they aren't, so it's not a personal attack in this context. Please, we're off topic. If you want to continue, let's take this to PM.
Hmmm, this is interesting. I went to his website and obviously you can't get a huge amount of information as to how they really feel, but most of the stances he did take were a mimic of Bush. What does he want to change outside of the govermental spending and securing borders? He supports the war in Iraq. He supports military action to counter terrorism. He does not support a government based healthcare system. He does not support gay marriage. I'm legitimately interested in what is making him appeal to people.
So the only issue that makes him republican is his stance on gay marriage and health care? Republicans are supposed to about small government and being fiscally conservative. How does dumping away trillions of dollars in Iraq to police the world amount to being fiscally conservative? Anyone....anyone...anyone... Oh and let's not forget his "fiscal" spending as governor. Fiscal record: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee#Fiscal_record Yea, vote for Mike. If you want tax hikes and out of control spending.
An issue that has been in multiple news sources is now 'fourth rate hack journalists' an issue that is proven that Huck did, but nope instead of responding to it at all it's simply 'fourth rate hack journalists' Yet tiny little blogs nobody has ever heard of posts anything about RP and it's gospel. Wow is all I have to say about that.
They are fourth rate journalists with a beef. You simply proved that I didn't attack you. You came in, called my candidate dishonest, then had a hissy fit when I responded about your candidate. There is no question that RP has made racial comments in the past, written for racial publications, attended meetings that could be deemed as such, has attracted a huge base of anti-semites, white supremacists, neonazis, anarchists, pimps, hos and other undesirables. Your own source even "argues" (alleges) five tax increases. What you failed to do was illustrate the entire picture. That is a dishonest argument. Let's review: That's $850 million in surplus. That comes from leadership. The famous video of Huckabee talking about taxes, that some dishonestly have used against him, was a mandate by the Arkansas Supreme Court. He didn't have a choice, it was a mandate. But some don't care about the facts of it, they only care about how they can dishonestly twist it to show something different. More: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/02/MNOBTMNEV.DTL If people who were *really* interested in what he has accomplished wanted to know the truth, it's not hard to find. As illustrated above. My personal experience, as noted many times in the past six months on this forum, is that RP supporters do not have a lot of integrity when it comes to pointing out issues. This seems to be no exception, once again. I support a candidate who has a strong fiscal record, where the facts clearly demonstrate this. He may not have a perfect record, but what he does have, is accomplishments. He's led a state, he's led government, he's been in that position. RP has never introduced any meaningful legislation that has been passed and has never accomplished anything. Nothing. He's all talk, most of it conspiratorial and has no accomplishment to his name.
Gtech, Ron Paul had absolutely nothing to do with this thread. You brought him in here just to attack him. The people that say Ron Paul is anti-semitic have no idea what they're talking about or are willingly participating in libel/slander. He wants to cut funding to Isreal but not because his stance on Jews. He's ACTUALLY fiscally conservative. He wants to cut aid to more countries than just Isreal. Saying he hates Jews because he wants to cut funding is another long list of logical fallacies Ron Paul smear campaigns use. So why don't you support the most conservative GOP candidate? He openly campaigns for abolishing the IRS, CIA, etc. Also Gtech, can you please explain how an honest and moral person has to not only erase but DESTROY over 90 hard drives when he leaves office? Clearly he has something to hide. This incident all too closely mimics Rove's use of 7 layer (DOD Approved) hard drive wipe on multiple computers to remove a virus. A 1 layer wipe is overboard for a virus let alone a DoD standard of 7.
Americans United Asks IRS To Investigate Falwell's Liberty University For Endorsement Of Mike Huckabee http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=9529&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241 `
And likewise, you simply came in to attack Huckabee. That was clear. There is no question about paul's ties to racism, nor his own comments over the past. You call one a smear, yet hold me to a higher standard when you attack my candidate with dishonest information. I don't let alex jones do my thinking for me. He is not the most conservative, nor is he a conservative. He's a kooky libertarian with leanings so far right, it comes back around to the left again. I don't want my country demolished. I don't want a "white power" candidate in office and I don't want someone who panders to lunatic nuts leading our country. RP has no experience in leading. He's never accomplished anything. His experience consists of "inaction is the best course of action" for everything. It is very common within the government to destroy hard drives. This is why there is a DoD standard on doing so. Anyone could slip in and plant something on hard drives that might later appear to be incriminating. There was no reason not to. It's a common practice to protect sensitive information such as social security numbers and privacy. You may also not be aware (obviously) that an independent ethics committee investigation cleared Huckabee of any wrong doing, by a vote of 4 to 0. Again, my candidate has experience. He has led, he has accomplishments and he has a record. RP has nothing. He's never accomplished anything meaningful nor has he ever led anything. Let alone, left a State with a $850 million dollar surplus. RP may be qualified to lead Branch Davidians, but he is not qualified to lead America.
I think you're confusing the scandals. Rove - 7 layer wipe for virus. Huckabee - Physically destroying 90 hard drives. Yes the thread is centered around Huckabee not Ron Paul. Attacking him on the issues (which I did) is fair game. You attacking someone on a personal level (who has NOTHING to do with this thread) is unreasonable. Either way if you want a candidate who endorses the Constitution, vote for Ron Paul. If you want a candidate that ignores the Constitution and runs his campaign around being Christian, vote Huckabee. Sigh. See you people and the MSM have little to attack RP on. So you do one of the three: 1.) Call him a cook and a fringe candidate. 2.) Call him racist. 3.) Attack his FOLLOWERS and not even him! You're attacking him based on who he donates to. Is it fair for me to then call you and Bush supporters corporate drones since that's where the majority of major funding comes from?
I'm glad I was able to help you better understand the tax issue on Huckabee. I see that you no longer take issue with it. Additionally, I'm glad you were able to understand that the government often destroys hard drives, there is a process for it, and that an ethics committee unanimously cleared Huckabee of any charges. I'm also glad that you now understand I have not attacked you personally. If you are not able to effectively counter RP's lack of experience or his kooky ties, perhaps it's time to consider a new candidate. They are not smears, they are well known facts. RP doesn't have a lot to go after, because he's never accomplished anything. He is not a leader. He has never passed any meaningful legislation. The only experience he has, is in doing nothing. We don't need a leader whose claim to fame is doing nothing. I attack him on the fact that he has about 5% national support and if you took away the troofers (alex jones nuts), anti-semites (pat buchanan), white supremacists (storm fronters), neo nazies and other nafarious groups, there wouldn't be much left of that 5% left. He's a kook, NWO conspiracy nut that panders to the dumb and gullible. He's not a serious contender and he has no record of accomplishment. Those are all facts.
Not one time. Looks like a clear and consistent response to me. Youtube videos with added in text. What's next?
Huckabee ethics complaints http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7000.html http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7000_Page2.html ---------------------------
guerilla probably wouldn't post this, since his candidate has never accomplished anything: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/u..._r=1&pagewanted=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin Once again, leadership. Huckabee has leadership. He's been there, he's led, he's garnered bi-partisan support from both democrats AND republicans within the state to make Arkansas a better place for the people and those looking to move companies there. Contrast this RP's achievement. Nothing.
From page 1 of your article (you linked to page 2): Also when trying to prove your point the NYT is reputable. However, when others link to it it's some sort of liberal moon bat communist news paper with 4th (5th, 6th?) rate hacks as journalists. I love the hypocrisy.
If you had paid attention, the first article I used was simply a reprint in the NYT. You didn't post a source to the NYT, so your point is moot. Your call for hypocrisy has no foundation. Again, I'm happy to have had the opportunity to correct you about the tax programs and illustrate that through Huckabee's leadership, he left the state a better place with an 850 million dollar surplus. This comes from leadership. Unfortunately, your candidate has no experience, no leadership and has not accomplished anything.