SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - Microsoft Corp. is expected to post declines in profit and sales for its fiscal fourth quarter next Thursday, as the software giant contends with flagging sales of personal computers bundled with its technology. Wall Street analysts on average estimate that Microsoft /quotes/comstock/15*!msft/quotes/nls/msft (MSFT 24.24, -0.20, -0.82%) will post earnings of 36 cents a share for the period ending in June, on $14.38 billion in revenue, according to data from Thomson Reuters. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...rofit-decline?siteid=YAHOOB,YAHOOB
Google did relatively little better on year-on-year comparison but it did so, by reducing the payouts to its adsense partners even though there was 15 % increase in paid clicks! Google's results Microsoft will have a tough time showing good performance, as it has no such segment to do it! Regards, RightMan
Having a 3% increase compared to Microsoft's potential 9% drop, if the estimates are correct, is far more than just "relatively little better". In fact, this will be Microsoft's 2nd straight revenue decline (the 3rd was essentially flat) while Google has not had negative growth in over 2 years at least. Also, Microsoft has stated two quarters ago that they expect this whole year to be in decline for them.
Two reasons why the two can't really be compared A) The older company usually is going to have a flatter increase in revenue as the older has usually already filled into its market B) A company that does retail is always going to have decline in a recession or sluggish economy when people buy less retail. the reviews on Windows 7 are generally looking good (although am sure against all evidence you will state otherwise) so sales in the fourth quarter will probably end up being a shot in the arm.
We're not talking flat. We're talking decline. Microsoft declined. Googled increased. Are you saying Google's revenue is not based on a retail economy? Microsoft has stated in their last quarterly report that they expect the full year to be down.
same principle. Bigger and older companies are less likely than newer ones to have increased profits. A large part of their products have already saturated the market and have less room to grow. So yes they are more likely to be flat or decrease because they are already at high levels. Pretty much but I gather you don't understand the point. Google derives a much higher percentage of business income (adsense etc.) as a total of their income. MS does do far more by way of direct consumer retail purchases (boxed software, Games, Xbox etc) . Fact - consumer retail is more immediately impacted by recessions. People are more likely to stop buying games or new PCs than companies are to stop buying advertising. So? I said it would be a shot in the arm not that it would put them up. The economy is projected to be down or flat for the full year. Look Google, Apple and MS are all sitting on Billions of cash reserves none of them are shedding any tears. I know you are hoping against hope that this means something but sorry MS will be around and kicking for decades.
It doesn't matter. Down is bad. Up is good. You don't get excused for sales going down no matter how big or small you are. Are you aware the radio and TV industry is cutting salaries and laying off staff due to lost revenue because advertisers are not buying? Don't make comments about things you don't know about. Google for "advertising revenue down" and tell me you still think that's true. Oh, I'm sure they will be but to some Microsoft is dead.
Which seems to be English on your part. Tell me if its your second language and I will cut you some slack. I Didn't say that everyone was not affected. As the young say (or used to say) - Duh - thats why recessions are a bad. I was very precise with my language "more likely" doesn't indicate the non existence of the problem for advertisers it just states the common sense , my dog would know the truth, fact that there is a higher probability of parents not buying expensive game systems and games than companies going cold turkey on advertising that brings them business. Of course some companies have cut back. Thats to be expected. Here a basic primer on the word http://cougar.eb.com/dictionary/likely read it. Higher probabilities are implied not no probability. and Heres a quick analysis on recent game sales as an industry - not just MS - proving the point on games http://www.geek.com/articles/games/june-2009-console-game-sales-summer-slump-20090717/ http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=a3VUZCjBGz8s and PC sales are tied by no lesser than the Wall Street Journal as the reason for MS slip - directly related to the economy proving my statement in regard to software sales. http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090717-711707.html To believe your uninformed posts all industries are impacted by a recession in the same way and to the same degree. Its a fact that companies thats sales are attached to bigger ticket consumer items (such as computers) have felt a greater impact. You might as well compare Microsoft sales to a lingerie company because google gets a ton load of its revenue from search and Microsoft doesn't . Fact. Proven Yes there will always be inhabitants of the insane asylum. No one in their right mind has to follow one of your links to realize that Microsoft is nowhere near dead. NO need to spam our discussion with links you wish to promote. They are not credible.
Quit trying to justify Microsoft's decline by saying retail and advertising are seperate from each other except when it applies to your argument and, on top of that, trying to fool people into thinking it's my misunderstanding. Also, you are trying, now, to seperate retail sales from advertising, by pointing to Microsoft's decline based on retail sales but ignoring your comment about advertising. Earlier you claimed consumers will stop buying before companies will stop buying but now you are saying they are both affected. While one may follow or preceed the other, you can't deny and claim both sides. But this does not change the fact that Microsoft revenue is down and Google's is up. The source does not matter. You fail to understand the up is up and down is down. You constantly try to find justification but it doesn't change anything. Did you read that folks? He said Paul Graham is not credible. I knew if I gave you enough rope, you'd hang yourself. Game over.
the shoe fits as they say. You are showing a remarkable amount of misunderstandings particularly on the economy. Didn't ignore it. I said one was more likely than other but its beyond you because you don't understand the word likely. Doesn't imply that either one was unaffected. Nice try at distortion. I said one was more likely than another. You can't grasp the use of the word can you? - sorry I tried - not my fault LOL! so you expect the recession to last forever then? If the source is the recession and the recession is expected to be followed by a recovery it makes all the difference in the world. I mean just write off every company and industry that is in decline in the recession. talk about hanging yourself with enough rope. thanks LOL! You are a piece of work. I state that I was ignoring your links not reading them or who they are from. I don't care who you quote. I skipped right over them and encouraged others to do the same because all your links are just anti MS nonsense. You claim people worship and listen to MS and there you are sucking up nonsense because of a name. Simple question to anyone out there reading this Is Microsoft dead? Anyone in their right minds wants to raise their hands and say yes. Howard you've had more than enough rope to hang yourself over and over and now your dead. No sane person is going to agree wth you that MS is dead. Not unless they harbor the same kind of MS hatred and are merely wishing it so like your link demonstrates (decided to actually read it to prove my suspicions correct and it didn't disappoint). Point. Set match. Case closed as to the full absurdity your anti MS evangelism will go.
Oh, here we go. Typical Windows user response when they're backed into a corner. "You're just a MS hater!" and "You're links are just spam and I won't read them!" like a little kid. What's funny is, in another thread, someone said I never backed up anything I said with links, but you won't read them anyway, despite them being authoritative information from experts. You hate data. If Microsoft doesn't tell you what and how to think, you can't do it on your own. And you are proof of it. This is why I try to avoid Windows-only forums such as DP but someone has to try and set people like you straight. You may not want to listen but others are smarter than you. You'll never learn and I'm done trying to teach you.
Actually Howard I' d love to see an "Authoritative link " that confirms MS is dead. You don't have it because its a semi insane propositions Your one attempt has been to link to another MS hater that confirms his hate of MS. You are the one squirming like a kid on a hot seat now that you have committed yourself to pushing the insane proposition that MS is (present tense) dead. Hate data? chew on this MS is about to link with Yahoo to get a significant 25-30% market share in search (a minor part of its business) MS still holds a firm hand in Browser use. They produce one of the best selling entertainment systems in XBOX (that they will leverage as computers and entertainment systems merge for the new PC) Their Office products still control the corporate market BY FAR. They still hold the world's most popular OS BY FAR (which really makes you hate them) They hold the worlds most popular productive programming IDE in Visual studio. A wider variety of PC consumer and corporate applications run on their OS than any other They are sitting on Billions of dollars in cash reserves and can buy into just about any industry they want. Against all this OBVIOUS data you are now stating that MS is dead/ doomed or all the assorted nonsense you push. Thats not education. You can't teach anyone. Thats just desperate propaganda .
Microsoft needs to stop spending like a drunk sailor and realize it can not continue spending on ads for to long. It will catch up with them sooner or later. I have seen commercials for Bing and Vista or what seems like a vista ad (giving a thousand dollors so somebody buys a laptop), Office, etc. They seem to be everywhere right now (magazines, TV, etc).