I honestly have a hard time giving an opinion either way.... It's know secret I like both Grim and Gtech and consider them both friends whom I respect... Hell, Grim is damn near my neighbor... The discussion is non-the-less quite healthy and interesting... Nothing like a good debate!
#1 What you are responding to is my response to Toopacs extremely lame attempt at a point, yet you choose to grab onto mine, simply unreal. Mine is closer to his, yet I said 'it's like' which is countering his lame attempt, not accusing him of anything. #2 It's not just this thread. #3 Sure looks like from the quotes above someone is trying to draw a connection #4 Yet they fight for what, to try to counter a simple fact that Saddam did not control where Zarqawi was. If they were not trying to make a connection, not trying to be misleading, why fight against facts? Answer me that if you can... #5 Much of what was posted in the quotes above is totally false. I think you people need to learn about Iraq Kurdistan, it was obvious in the war build up you didn't know anything about it. Appears that's still the case. Yet again I honestly had no intent on debating in this thread, simply adding to Gtechs correction. Shock I admit Gtech corrected the other poster, simply adding a vital key piece of info that Zarqawi was in an area not controlled by Saddam. If the intent is not to be misleading, not to draw a connection, then why try to fight it? Why not embrace facts? Even when facts do not fit your agenda, facts are a good thing.
To be 100% honest I seriously had no intent on arguing,debating here. All I was doing was in a friendly way adding a key point to Gtechs correction for the other poster, hell in most cases it would be considered a good thing. I didn't think for a second someone would try to twist it into something it's not. I 'thought' facts were good things...
Nothing to do with 'giving Bush credit' where would Bush get credit? I could care less about Bush, I care more for facts. Speaking of easy, what's easy is proving you wrong. Just as you were proven wrong yet again Your 'last word' argument, you always use when you are owned BTW, no wonder you use it so often. Just like your extremely lame 'narcissist' jab. Why are you so afraid of facts? You sure appear anal on making sure people know the truth of where Zarqawi was, yet when someone shows the full truth it doesn't fit your agenda so you go ape shit. Seriously about as lame as you can get.
Not at all Was simply showing you just how idiotic your post was However it sure looks like connections were trying to be drawn... Yet again why are you so afraid of 'facts' are you allergic to them?
Speak for yourself your Tim equivalent was lame & about as far of the target as possible, but you already know that, just like you can't get over the fact that was originally pointed out to you, because you would like everyone to believe under saddams rule terrorists were never there Nobody is interested if he supported them or not I think GTech needs to come in with that word starting with p_________ you know what i mean GRIM
Do you like to rely on lies? I want people to believe under Saddams rule terrorists were never there? Seriously I said that? Wow talk about LAME, you have shown over and over to have the intelligence of an acorn. You never post facts, you lie and that's about it. Text book case of not having a case I guess Yet again, listen real closely this time.. All I did was add to Gtechs post that Zarqawi was in an area not controlled by Saddam, this is fact. If you are not trying to be misleading, why are you so afraid about facts? What is the problem with facts? Why do you not like them? Are you seriously thinking you are anything less than delusional? Really? The pro war crowd yelled that for years, in this very thread there have been attempts to connect the two. If you're not 'interested' as you say, then what is the problem with pointing out the fact he was not in an area controlled by Saddam? Why don't you fill me in Do you have anything to add, or do you intend on being nothing more than a yes man who has no point, no facts, only being a butt buddy with someone proven wrong time and time again? Get back to me when you have some form of intelligence, I wont be holding my breath.. ---BTW My 'Tim' reference was more on than your lame ass quotes, it was not accusing yet again, but then again I guess I don't have the ability to argue on your lowly level..
Suffering from a temporary loss of cabin pressure? Let's review: Now that the first lie is out of the way (look forward to the delusional spin on that one!)... So now you are suggesting zarqawi wasn't in Iraq? How did you prove that wrong? Do you believe you owned me on behalf of saddam and zarqawi? First it was misleading, then it wasn't, then it was. I've proven time and again, if I let you have the last word, you shut up. It's so easy...but I couldn't resist owning you a little more. Taunting narcissists is more fun than Six Flags Afraid? Another temporary loss of cabin pressure? I haven't rejected them, I stated it didn't matter. It doesn't matter where in Iraq zarqawi was. I've yet to see you make a case for why you believe it's important. It's like saying "there's gas in my car." Well, duh! Anal? I'm not the one growing corn cobs in Uranus. The truth is simple...as I've stated numerous times, and as you have whined and cried about over and over again...zarqawi was in Iraq prior to the invasion. You even admitted it yourself. I don't care what part he was in, whether he was eating bran muffins or boinking a herd of goats. It has no bearing on the fact that zarqawi was there. I agree, you are as lame as they come. But someone has to stand up for the kind of people you seem to always be standing up for. Glad I'm not on that side of the coin.
Sigh Gtech, do you really want to be owned yet again? How hard is it for you to simply say 'yes he was in the north, where Saddam had no control' Instead lets fight some more. Ahh yes this lame attempt comes from the quotes of me. Wow nice 'attempt' at a twist Gtech. Lets further look at this. The first post of mine you quote comes from your post as follows: YOU bring up giving Bush credit, this is your own delusional thinking. Bush would not get any credit, where you come up with this stuff is simply amazing. Then your twist to bring up the other quote, lets look at that more closley. I explain exactly why what you posted can be misleading to those who do not know the full story, you are the one who decided to have a problem with the 'facts' being brought out. Facts such as pro war people and the administration using this same technique, no where do I say anything further about 'Bush' especially to the point about it being about giving Bush credit. This is totally false on your part, totally misleading, totally twisting, should expect nothing less of you. More lies? I never said he wasn't in Iraq, actually if you bothered to read I say he was and agreed with you. I proved you wrong multiple times in this very thread including. Those are not 'opinion' those are 'fact' Actually according to the facts he was there fighting the kurds in the north before we invaded.. He did not have control at this time as I pointed out, yet another 'ownage'.. I could go on but you make it a bit to easy and I am really very bored. What's the beef? Seriously why fight the fact that Zarqawi was in the north where Saddam did not control? All I did was add onto your post, a post I agreed with, simply wanted this bit of info there, you know facts, facts of which you appear to hate. You have proven nothing Gtech, I have been posting in here the entire time you were gone. Your posts #1 are not worthy of even responding to, by all logic if there isn't another post to respond to one is not going to respond. Wow you sure have some logic there. Narcissist, more of your crap when you can't win an argument, pull out names, wow you must be proud. I owned you on the above, I've shown it, proven it, you know those facts. Actually it was misleading the entire time, I showed you step by step how it was. Leaving out those facts that don't fit your agenda is misleading, especially when you fight against them. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt you prove that yes you were being misleading. It doesn't matter, yet you were anal in this thread and others to point out 'yes he was in Iraq' but 'it doesn't matter' It only matters for your agenda, any facts that don't go with your agenda don't matter. Nice to see how that works. Yes he was there, and the fact was 'the one you fought against' was he was in Iraq in the north where Saddam did not control. It doesn't matter 'but but but it does' are you serious? Show some more how facts are only good when they are on your agenda, when they dont' fit your agenda it doesn't matter. Facts are standing up, yeah fiction is so much better. You dont' even make this fun, caught in lie after lie, twist after twist, untruth after untruth and you still 'think' in Gtech land all is good. --- For the last time.. Gtech corrected a poster, Zarqawi was in fact in Iraq, I agreed, I added the vital info that he was in the north where Saddam did not control. So what's the beef? As far as it 'not mattering' if it didn't you would not post Fighting against the simple fact I posted. If it didnt' matter you'd either simply agree, or not even respond. But nope instead you decided to say it does matter by your response. Lets end this here and now, it's simple. Even if you now feel it does not matter, You corrected the poster, Zarqawi was in Iraq, I added simply that he was in Iraq in the north where Saddam did not control. Show us you are not trying to just fight, do you agree with this in bold or do you not?
I would LOVE to be owned! Bless your little heart...you're trying to think, but nothing happens. It doesn't matter where zarqawi was in Iraq, he was in Iraq. I've said it half a dozen times, even pointed out your lie about saying it wasn't about the administration before it actually was, but you have a special browser that no one else has, that seems to blank these things out. If I were not laughing so hard at your effort to prove (uh, what is you are trying to prove?), I'd almost feel sorry for you! Vegetables, anyone? How about some fresh corn on the cob?
No lying on my part Gtech, alot of twisting and 1/2 truths on yours. The only mention of the administration was showing you how you were using the same misleading method as them, nothing else to do with the administration, certainly nothing about giving credit or not. Horrible try, more lies by Gtech the guy who couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. It matters he was in Iraq, it doesn't matter where he was, but now it matters where he was, but not where in Iraq he was 'edit' --So which one is it?. Only to you does it not matter 'but yet it does', as with the truth of where he was you can not mislead and make the false saddam zarqawi connection, the same thing the administration did and prowar supporters. 'Shock' yes I said the admin again, however nothing to do with the point at hand, everything to do with YOUR misleading tactic. But I know you'll twist it into 'giving Bush credit' and lie some more. So no response to you being proven wrong yet again, per usual twist away from the facts. Something tells me you like corn on the cob shoved up, yeah I wont go there. --edit Again Gtech, holding that itty bitty hand of yours real tight. Please change your depends... You corrected a poster, I simply added where Zarqawi was YOU decided to argue from there. If it did not matter where he was why argue? It was you truing to prove something, that something 'that doesn't matter' you were proven wrong on. Simply pathetic. I'm not laughing as I actually feel sorry that you get people to believe you. Of course it's only the mentally challenged like Toopac, your little boyfriend. I was not trying to prove anything, all I did was add to your correction a fact. It was YOU who tried to prove something, who tried to twist away from that fact, it was you who was proven wrong. Nothing to say that means anything per usual. Do you dream about Gtech and his corn at night? Something tells me something more is going on between the two of you than we know
Are you out of your mind? What are you talking about? Look at that post where you claim i am saying "they" first, I'm quoting you saying it. How could i possibly have said it first when your example of me saying it first is a post where i quote you saying it? So again,. Who are "they"? You say "they disagree" i say "they want to come home". I will make it easy for you, fuck knows you need the help, my definition is the same as yours. I find it astonishing that you fail to see the hypocrisy of your post.
I find it hysterical that a debate is going on over whose "they" is "they" when statistics from actual "theys" are available, posted here, and nevertheless ignored.
Personally i do too, But I'm not about to sit here and let people make false claims about what was said. So next time quote mia and make the same point.
Perhaps I misread him, but I took his post: To mean that he had actually talked to vets, and had heard a different story than that of gkd_uk. I didn't see anything like this in your "they" post, just a blanket statement of your opinion. But fair enough. Jeremy, and Stox, I have posted poll statistics on how vets actually feel about this war, which shows that like on this board, there is mixed opinion among vets. The "they" discussion pales in comparison to a poll like this, doesn't it, fellas?
I actually have, did and do.. That is why I asked if he had known anyone serving, ie., had any friends, family, etc., serving.. I do. I recently talked a fellow Jaycee leaving for his third deployment... He paints a much different picture. Someone mentioned that the war was all about oil.. He told him that we are not pumping a drop... He spends his days protecting kids, bringing them food, water and making sure they get to school, and then home again. Ever heard of the phony solder analogy? That is who "they" are. Talk to a real serviceman or servicewomen, "they" paint a much different picture. I just do not understand why the truth is so hard to accept... If you have a differing opinion, leave it at that.. Please do not make up BS to support an agenda of doom and gloom. It dis-respects the family and friends I have serving. Nothpointaiki.. my comments are not directed at you btw..