McDar Experiment

Actually, Bob, the page is #1 for Nebo Sleeping and #2 for Nebo Bags.

AND #1 for Sleeping Nebo

 

Thank goodness those sleeping bags were not called "bottomless sleeping bags"


Sorry just had to


What you are saying is entirely valid and concurs with what I was saying and also in that other thread that I wrote about freshbot and the title on the first page "theming" the site

the search on google on "sleeping bags" returned as you said

BUT

the actual title for sleepingbagsandtents.com starts with sleeping bags when you click on the link to the page

so I will still stay with the title importance, so far

but next century who knows! Ha good call Compar!

 

If you go to that site and right mouse click and go to view source, you will find that the actual title is "Camping Accessories, Gear, And Supplies :".

What you view at the top of the page is a graphic named sbat.jpg that does NOT have an alt tag.

Also, it seems to be a common belief around SEO forums that javascript code on your page is bad in that it causes your text (read-keywords) to appear much further down the page. It dosn't seem that it has effected this site too much.

ALSO NOTE: the page is NOT W3C compliant!

If this site was asking for help, there would be a lot of things to point to as to why it was not doing well. Ironic, huh.

 

Fascinated with whats going here I went further

Bollocks I said go and look at the code

What they have is a great bundle of js and then the first relevant text that near matches the title is the "description" under that "Camping Gear and Accessories" which G shows on its page. I have not been able to find that "Camping Gear and Accessories" phrase so what I would assume is that this page was originally submitted by hand and that that phrase was placed in the "other comments" box.

So when you go and use your tools you will find that it rates highly for allintext, No1, and all in anchor, even though it obstensively it does not show that - but its title does and so does its text.

 

But it is not!

here is the title

<Title>Sleeping Bags and Tents for every camping season:</Title>

So what are you getting?

 

WOW! You must be getting completely different results(?)

OR they serve up a switcheroo to visitors.

Heres what I got...

 

Getting more interesting!!!!!

Go to the bottom - the very last right hand corner after the credit to the web site builder and.......

loads of little spacers connected !!!

 

YES! now I see that.

if you go about two thirds down the page you find this...

 

many of those "hidden" links are cross linked with each other.

I know that SBandT have backlinks from virtually every page of nchydro.com. I noticed that while researching for sites to request link exchanges with.

My guess now is that this tactic is used to cross link every page on every one of those sites.

So, that is their secret!

 

The interesting thing about this is they don't use alt tags on these images links. They could get a much bigger boost with alt tags. For image links, alt tag is anchor text.

 

Indeed Bob, but alt tags would make the hidden links visible on mouseover.

I know from researching for links, SBandT had 4365 backlinks reported by alltheweb before alltheweb changed recently. MOST of those links coming from 3 or 4 sites.

 

Sorry guys but Ive got to go but I'll be back in the morning

 

Have a good night, Foxy and thanks for all of your help!

 

Yes but if you put them way down on the bottom of the page who cares and 99.99% of your visitors will never mouseover this part of the page.

But image links without alt tags can only be useful for boosting PR. So they are doing all this questionable stuff for very little gain. It's the old story, if you are going to rob a bank make sure there is a $ 1,000,000 there. You don't want to get caught for only stealing $1,000.

 

Point well taken! It's scary that they got to number one by using only the "small" artillary.

You know I have looked at that page several times and have never noticed those links before.

 

I have a copy of their source code from back on December 3. They have always been number one but, like many of us, were launched off of the planet by Florida. It occurred to me to find them and (sneaky, I know) copy their code so, if they find their way back, I could see what they did.

Their code is the same today as it was on Dec 3. If they made modifications that caused their return, it was NOT on-page modifications.

 

UPDATE: The new page is listed in Google!

At this point, it will only come up if searching for
Ledge Sleeping Bags #2
McDar Sleeping Bags #2
Deep Creek Sleeping Bags #2

Sleeping Bags #n/a
allinanchor:sleeping bags #n/a

 

So the new page has a title "Sleeping bags-...."

So where is Google getting McDar Sleeping Bags? as per:

McDar Sleeping Bags

Nebo Sleeping Bags. Sleeping Bag Care. Sleeping Bag Construction. Sleeping Bags. Mummy Sleeping Bags. Ledge Deep Creek +25 ...


?????

I have a feeling that if you can answer this we will have some of the answers to that other page on that other site.

 

The page was named "McDar Sleeping Bags" but at Bobs suggestion I changed it yesterday. G crawled the page prior to the change.

"Nebo Sleeping Bags. Sleeping Bag Care. Sleeping Bag Construction. Sleeping Bags. Mummy Sleeping Bags. Ledge Deep Creek +25 ... " is just the first text that WAS on that page when G crawled it. No mystery.

currently
Title: Sleeping Bags - McDar Outdoor Gear
1st heading - Sleeping Bags
1st text - Mummy Sleeping Bags, Oversized Sleeping Bags, Queen Size Sleeping Bags, Women and Youth Bags (these are all hyperlinks to sections of the page)

 

I think I have found a perfect example of how to use the Keyword Analysis Tool to fine tune a page.

Foxy, you'll love this one!

Do you think it should be discussed in this thread or somewhere else?