McCain is Winning, McCain Leads 56% To 38% ,Obama Concedes Georgia

That statement supports a McCain vote. Obama isnt looking for equality when it comes to taxation, he has consistently said he plans to increase taxes on those that have a higher income and give tax cuts to those of lower income.

If it is the governments job to redistribute wealth that would be an appropriate thing to do.
There is an economic system that advocates that the governments role is redistribution of wealth, but it isnt ours.

 

Rob, loopholes that extend to the wealthiest that aren't available to the poorest is itself redistribution.

McCain's view, that is, until flip-flopping, now a proselyte for those very Bush cuts.

 

Are you talking about the US?

The US has been redistributing wealth since 1913.

Where have you been?

The government has done a great job of concentrating the wealth of the country in the hands of the rich for almost a century.

 

Obama is plying the long popular DNC class warfare theme... saying he will raise taxes on the wealthy and lower them on the less wealthy. That is not the politics of intellectualism, it is an appeal to envy.

Why should those who are economically successful make more money than those who are not? Not mine to say, that is how capitalism works... but treating a tax reduction as a giveaway would make sense if you similarly felt it was a giveaway when someone held you up, took your wallet, and handed you back part of the money.

 

Following up on this discussion, talk about a sea change: In one day, Obama went from 14 down to 13 up in electoral nods - a 27 point shift in his favor from 9/20 to 9/21. The financial fallout is absolutely hammering the GOP and the ticket. Forcing "no toss up states" gives Obama the election, 273-265. The public can't remember this morning's breakfast, much less trends longer than a day or two, but if things don't radically turn around economically, or if more bad news continues to take page 1, seems to me John McCain will go on to retirement, and Sarah Palin will go back to the hinterland from whence she came.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/election_2008/electoral_count.html

 

I think both of you guys are putting too much stock in these early projected electoral maps.

 

Yeah, but it's fun to wind Biz and Rob up.

Also,

I.e., it does appear the GOP is being pegged with this, and it would be the Dems, if they were in power. A sour economy, particularly one that has the flashy markers we've seen the last few days, tends to be pegged on the party in power. I do expect about 50 more "sea changes" to election day, actually, but if things don't settle down, or get worse, McCain's toast.

As to today's numbers, again, the devil made me do it.

 

What's causing the numbers to change? Is it from undecideds deciding or are people changing their minds?

 

Think I already said to expect a horse race and mentioned the vacillating state polls. As I said, unless one side implodes we'll all be up late on election night.

Agree that it'll be vastly affected by who ultimately wins the economic blame game. Be interesting to see whether it has an effect when people figure out which presidential candidate was the number two recipient of money from Fannie and Freddie (can you say "special interest money"?).LOL. That is NOT gonna look good on his permanent record.

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ADDED: LOL... Did You See the Actual Changes?
I hadnt seen the data yet (been out all day). The "force no leans" was already in Obamas favor... the actual pro Obama states are still at the same 202 points. The entire difference was that Florida went into tossup column.

The full list of todays changes...
2 states from ""Leaning McCain" to "Strong McCain
1 state from "Leaning McCain" to Toss-up (Florida)
1 State from "Leaning Obama" to "Strong Obama".

I predict Florida will be back on the McCain role by election night, and it is the only change above that affected the count today. [LOL. Whoopie... huge change.] McCain shored up 2 more states and will be freed to work Florida. Thats a rough break for their team.

 

LOL - fatigue? Blown discs, L1-L3, Vicodin talking? Anyone see a cowpie nearby?

'Kay. I'm watching the next batch.

 

One thing they taught in stat class was to watch what causes raw numbers to change... not just the number. Was just pointing out they showed McCain strong in 2 more states, Obama in 1, and the single change that actually affected numbers was Florida going from leaning McCain to "tossup". Obama hasnt gain a state state since the prior discussion.

Just doubt the Dems can win Florida this round. This change happened on the heels of his statement in Florida about social security that fact check labeled "A Whopper". I doubt he's gonna hold a lead based on false statements that'll come back to bite him. We'll know the answer in just under 8 weeks.

 

Well, yes, it's obvious that correlation isn't causation, and, typically, untangling causative variables for any social phenomenon isn't as easy as in a laboratory, with the "hard" variables of the physical sciences. But here, it's pretty easy, really - if an economy tanks, the party in power typically foots the bill of blame. With something as dramatic on display as this week's debacle, pretty difficult for McCain and Co. to cleave itself from the anchor. But agree with you that time will tell.

 

Traditionally thatd be true, but if people notice that McCain was hollering about some of this stuff two years ago, and that Obama has meantime been the #2 beneficiary of money from the same special interests he's trying to pin on McCain and employs some of the architects of the Fannie / Freddie debacle as advisors... it gets more complex.

Sorta like the problem of hanging the price of gas on McCain... McCain voted against the Bush energy bill, Obama oddly enough voted FOR it. Gonna be some 'splainin to do at the debates.

Looking forward to Friday.