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Matt Cutts Says Not to Use Article Directories for Links

Discussion in 'Directories' started by tornado!, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. averyz

    averyz Well-Known Member

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    #61
    External keyword tool from analytics slowly went away and is now gone. But if you have $150,000 a year you can have it with “google premium”.
    They replaced the external keyword tool with adwords key word planner conveniently linked to adwords so you can easily spend money on “adwords campaigns” with it.

    The external keyword tool was nice.. you could really see what brought people to your website.
    The adwords key word planner is just that, a tool to spend money on adwords.

    Were they trying to lure more money into adwords..? or just trying to improve search results..? hmmm, I would guess it was about the $.

    I guess “unnatural links” was the wrong word “paid results” would probably be a better word.
    I have no adversity to ads, they pay the bills it's just when they get aggressive fill up most of the page and it gets to where you cannot be found with out paying advertizing. That’s when it goes away from quality and what people want, to what the biggest spender wants you too see.

    I find way too coincidental that when adword revenues drop google targets and discredits the main stream sources that people are using to promote websites that are not spending money through google.
    SEMrush
     
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    SEMrush
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    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    #62
    I logged into webmaster tools and used it the other day; Have they chanced something since?
    Does not make sense to say you have to spend that kind of money when their are keyword
    research software you can buy for much less, and probably better then what google offers.
    You guys would not have to worry what google has to say if you were about quality over quantity.

    You can get even a so-so site to do pretty decent if you focus on quality link building, and it will cost you!
    but if you still prefer the $5 10k link building schemes of the past, then do what you are going to do anyway....

     
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  3. averyz

    averyz Well-Known Member

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    #63
    Google Warning External Keyword Tool Shut Down Is Near, AdWords Keyword Planner To Replace It
    http://searchengineland.com/google-...-adwords-keyword-planner-to-replace-it-165364

    Official: Google's Keyword Tool Replaced
    http://www.seroundtable.com/google-keyword-tool-gone-17286.html

    Also no more keyword data in analytics unless you have $150,000 a year.

    I don't worry about my sites, I make quality sites and have been making websites through many different search engine changes. I just don't like one search engine monopolizing and pillaging the majority of internet users.
     
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  4. dscurlock

    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    #64
    You can spin fancy all you want, keyword tool, keyword planner, whatever.
    bottom line is, if you more comprehensive research, then go buy quality
    software for your keyword research; google is never going to offer you the data you really need....

     
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  5. averyz

    averyz Well-Known Member

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    #65
    The point was the morphed a usable tool into a adwords tool. Just like they are trying to morph the land of seo into adwords. and that you did not just "use it the other day" because it is gone.
     
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    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    #66
    If that is the case, then it was removed at some
    point after I used it, but I dont need googie anyway...
    There are much better tools on the market then
    what googie offers, so feel free to keep riding that wagon....

     
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    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    #67
    that just sounds outright dirty....

    As far as google is concerned....
    They make chess moves, and control the internet
    so that you have no options....

    google = monopoly of the internet

    and when it comes to TV/Internet, your options
    may slim to almost none if Comcast/Time merge....

    I do not live but a few miles from a big city...and here
    are my options right now; Comcast or Dish
    (I have no other tv/internet options to choose from)
     
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    TStarnes Active Member

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    #68
    Wait, so Google continues to try and build the best product they can so they can continue controlling the market. Those bastards. I am glad that isn't the goal of every other business in existence.

    Including Internet Marketers.
     
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    tornado! Active Member

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    #69
    There's a big difference in someone trying to control an entire sector then how Google is trying to control an entire medium. How Google is gaining control is through "free" products and services, many acquisitions, strategic partnerships and financially backing hundreds of companies. Just a brief example of how this could play out...

    Connect to the Internet Using Google Broadband
    https://fiber.google.com/about/

    Then Surf the Internet Using Google's Web Browser
    https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/

    Search for Websites Using Google Search
    https://www.google.com/

    Then Be Presented with Advertisements
    http://www.google.com/adwords/

    You Avoid Adwords Listings and Visit a Website That Participates in Adsense
    https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=adsense&rm=hide&nui=15&alwf=true&ltmpl=adsense&passive=true&continue=https://www.google.com/adsense/gaiaauth2&followup=https://www.google.com/adsense/gaiaauth2&hl=en_US

    Go Mobile and Use Google's Mobile Operating System
    http://www.android.com

    Watch Some Videos While on the Go
    http://www.youtube.com

    See Better When Using Your Prescription Google Glass
    http://www.google.com/glass/start/

    Or If You Have Diabetes, Just Use Google's Contact Lenses
    http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/16/go...-lets-diabetics-measure-their-glucose-levels/

    Return Home and Adjust Your Google Thermostat
    https://nest.com/

    Throughout this entire process people are tracked, profiled and God only knows what Google does/or will do with that information besides giving it to the government. So when you say Google is trying to make the best product they can, do you mean a sophisticated data mining operation that bridges the gap between the internet, our homes and everywhere we travel in between?

    PS: Let's also look at how Google patented the concept of sending crowd sourced video data to individuals, agencies and yes law enforcement. The story can be viewed at http://phandroid.com/2014/01/29/google-mob-sourced-video-patent/ and they also link to the patents.

    One patent states:

    This is the police state Google is helping to build with all of their products and services they offer.
     
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  10. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #70
    You mean [not provided]? So what, some keyword data is available in Google Webmaster Tools (and if you link the site with Analytics then you see it in there). There are other, more important, metrics to measure than the keyword obsession many SEOs/webmasters developed.

    That was always an AdWords tool and they made it better. So people have to login now. So what, like that takes much effort to type an email address and password. It was never designed as an SEO tool, just how some people ended up using it. People just need to learn how to use the new tool properly, and how to type in an email address and password. (I would rather do that than screw around with retarded Captcha.)

    Again, it always was an AdWords tool.

    The tool never had anything to do with SEO, but is still accessible even without spending on AdWords. Username and password, big deal.

    Every company needs to monetise and I am trying to see where it is too ad-heavy. I did some side-by-sides with Google and Bing - UK searches and then USA (although it may change depending upon state, city, etc). The focus is on ads above organic search results, not the ads on the right.

    UK Search
    1. Cats for sale - three ads on each.
    2. X-box one - four ads on Bing and ONE row of Google Shopping results (so the organic results are immediately more visible).
    3. Cheap ugg boots - three ads on each.
    4. Engagement rings - three ads on Google, two ads on Bing.
    5. Handbags - one ad on Google, four ads on Bing (and one had "site links", so this was a damn big ad).
    6. Gucci watches - two ads on Google, same again for Bing (four plus the first with site links).
    7. Watches - one ad for Google, the same again for Bing (four plus the first with site links).
    USA Search
    1. Cats for sale - Three ads each, although Bing's ad block was bigger due to the site links.
    2. X-Box one - no ads for Bing, two for Google.
    3. Cheap Ugg boots - three ads for Google, four ads for Bing.
    4. Engagement rings - three ads each, but Bing's ad block was bigger due to the "site links" for the first ad.
    5. Handbags - two ads for Google and one ad for Bing.
    6. Gucci watches - three ads each.
    7. Watches - Three ads each.
    The organic results were very visible for both, but sometimes Bing's ad block was far too big compared to Google's.

    Discrediting what? When SEOs/webmasters take it too far? Such as the guest posting that became the next article marketing spam. The million and one crappy web directories that for some unknown reason they deem fit to submit sites to (it doesn't mean they are all crap, just the spammy one). Or taking it too far with widgets, infographics, etc. Every time there is a new way to gain links (usually for traffic and brand building, rather than rank) it ends up being the next thing to spam. Why should a lot of credit be given to a link that the site owner - or someone they hired - placed compared to one organically gained, i.e. someone thought the site was a good source and decided to link to it? When I search, I want to find sites that are good, ranked because they are good and not because someone built a bunch of crappy links.
     
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    averyz Well-Known Member

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    #71
    I was never really about the tool is was about the way it has gone through changes which reflects google and their profit driven ambitions. Google is a publicly traded company and needs to show 6%-9% profit every year

    First it was provided for users with full info call it what you will keyword ____ tool you need a gmail acct–
    Then it was morphed into an tool you needed a adwords acct to use and is completely intertwined to buying and spending adwords money= more people being forced into the adwords system in order to use the tool

    It is just a window into how they can create a user infrastructure then morph it into more revenue when they need to show more profit.

    Which goes back to the point that the latest google bashing on common seo avenues is likely a strategy to get users to abandon those avenues and go avenues that create profit for google. This goes beyond google morphing their own infrastructure this is a large corporate entity destroying outside businesses to take over the profit from them.
     
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    I don't think you can say the tool is an indication of Google changing things because of their ambitions. This was a tool made for adwords customers for day one, and was being co-opted in mass by SEO people. It costs money to run that tool and google built it to facilitate people doing PPC. All these seo people using it had no intention of doing ppc, but wanted this free tool. IT didn't morph into a tool that was locked down for adwords, it was always a tool designed and intended for adwords users.
     
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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #73
    Does not really matter. It's hit or miss. Seems the formula for SE results is, show some cool picture/definition to the right make Wiki the first result, litter the entire top 3-4 results with ads, the entire right column the same... Then 10 actual indexed sites that range from (again) wiki through dictionary dot com, to either completely unrelated web sites, godaddy landing pages, or just dead/outdated crap and the occasional MFAs.
     
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