Matt Cutts Says It's Illogical To Penalize Sites For Buying Links?

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  1. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #121

    People have a hard time grabbing the concept of driving targeted traffic other than by trying to use the free results...make mention of paying for ads and traffic exposure and 80% of online webmasters run away having no concept of building a business, be it offline or online.

    Advertising works and has for centuries, you have this down as a mantra of sorts from what I know.

    And as you said Google is simply the online version of the yellow pages

    they will gladly take anyones money to advertise where they want...if it's a site not relevant to the category they simply jack the price to bid up so high it may not make sense to pay their premiums. Just like the yellow pages lol :)
     
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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #122
    Hey, someone gets it!
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #124
    I have bought those links from a page full of text links or images. Most of those have no value and if you look at the url of a text link on one of those, you most likely cannot find a google link related to those. I think those type of blatant link farms are worthless.

    I agree with those that say buying links = more income. My sales are increasing since I started using the links in my sig.
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #125
    Buying links = more income... Post of the year!!!
     
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  6. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #126
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #127
    Since when is this a "phenomenon"? I read it as a targeted manual attack on one particular niche group of sites by Google.. Hardly what I would call a phenomenon.
     
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  8. Wealdie

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    #128
    LMAO - Brilliant

    Sure Google cannot *prove* that money changed hands, but they sure as hell can analyse and identify signals and patterns - and write algo's accordingly

    My guess is that if they analyse enough data from paid link reports they will be able to identify some such patterns and write said algo's

    Examples may include things such as:
    • multiple instances of off topic/unthemed links
    • site starts regularly adding outbound links where it did not before
    • endorsing link buying as acceptable
    • sitewides etc
    to name some of the more obvious ones
     
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  9. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #129
    Wow. That's not even from posts far apart in time.

    -Michael
     
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  10. experienceadvertising

    experienceadvertising Peon Affiliate Manager

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    #130
    Text-link-ads is one of the few sites that wasn't knocked down a point or 2 in the last update..
    Regarding that statement, links are one aspect of the equation so if you have other factors like a lotof unique content and copy you should be ok.
     
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    sweetfunny Banned

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    #131
    Ahh ok, so that's why Adsense displays ads related to my pages content and the related:mysite.com query in Google shows sites closely related to my own.

    Gotcha ;)
     
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  12. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #132
    googlebot

    mediabot

    two bots using two different methods of analysis duhhh ;)

    One relies on LSI more than the other.

    For as smart as you try to make yourself appear...I would have thought you knew that :rolleyes:
     
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  13. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #133
    No, not even close. Bots do not analyze anything, period, aside from robots.txt and which links to follow.

    -Michael
     
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    #134
    Youre right lol Exactly right and you keep thinking that too...

    I'm not sure you've ever made a more incorrect statement but this is the biggest one yet. lol

    Bots dont analyze......

    LOL

    LOL

    LOL

    LOL

    Thank you for the laugh

    Do you have a comedy act?????

    LOL

    Bots dont analyze in mikeys world

    I may have to ignore you after this post as you have no clue what you are talking about what so ever.....

    LOL

    :D


    After everyone is done laughing please visit the Google Adsense link below

    https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?answer=9713&topic=8441



    How does Google target ads to my website?

    Once you've added the Google ad code to the webpages on which you want to display Google ads, we take care of the rest by automatically delivering relevant Google ads to those content pages. Google ads are targeted in two ways:

    * Contextual targeting
    Our technology uses such factors as keyword analysis, word frequency, font size, and the overall link structure of the web, in order to determine what a webpage is about and precisely match Google ads to each page.

    Google writes that they analyze but mikey says they don't

    LOL
     
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  15. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #135
    Why do you think that anything you posted refutes what I said? Not one single word in a what you posted about any kind of bot, AdSense or otherwise, period. You're starting to sound like anthonycea now.

    Bots do not analyze a page, but that is completely besides the point. sweetfunny gave you two examples, and since your argument fell apart the moment you tried to make it, you only focused on one.

    The plain and simple fact is that you are not only wrong in single statements that you are making, but you are also contradicting yourself. Saying that Google cannot detect relevance and that Google is good at detecting same themed sites are polar opposite statements.

    Your entire contribution to this thread has been nothing but emotional outbursts, slander, and made up misinformation. Honestly, you should just let it go.

    -Michael
     
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    #136
    Instructions can tell the bot to look at the sites category and what sites it links to in order to determine relevancy along with Googles bots ability to analyze pages.

    What cannot be programmed is to go find paid links since all hyperlinks look the same to the robot unless a no follow tag is applied

    If you cannot read, think freely or use just an iota of common sense (Dont stress on the amount needed as I know your capability and cannot read what Google wrote that it does there is little I or anyone else can do for you.

    I guess Google guesses the content & keyword on the billions of pages in their index?

    Maybe you can enlighten us as to how the crawlers derive meaning???

    I doubt you can post anything remotely intelligent... but take a stab at it.

    Lastly to show how unintelligent you truly are

    Slander is verbal. Since we type here on the forum there would be no slander involved.

    Next slander would mean that I described you inaccurately however your my space pic does show that what I stated earlier is true.

    Therefore legally there is no slander involved even though there was no verbal communication in your regard.

    What you meant was Libe.

    Libel is printed text and again in order to be held accountable for such I would have had to post false accusations about you.

    Again the myspace pic verified I did not lie.

    You have been schooled
    not only on Google but the legal aspects of your incorrect statement.

    I am done with your very childish and immature posts, where when proven wrong you revert to the same non sense noted above deflecting the fact you were wrong and stooping to the low level of trying to make me look foolish.

    Peace!
     
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  17. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #137
    Great, the guy who doesn't know the difference between "infer" and "imply" is now both a language and law expert rolled into one.

    What the hell are you talking about, by the way? Are you thinking of some events that took place only in your head? You never posted a pic, and I have no clue what "lie" you are referring to.

    None of which change the fact that, despite your misuse of the phrases, you are still contradicting yourself:

    Seriously, you should stop.

    -Michael
     
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  18. Sem-Advance

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    #138
    No you should...you accused me of slander and yet don't know how I slandered you......put the pipe down

    Googlebot can determine relevancy between sites in a category.

    Mediabot aka Mediapartners can determine relevancy of content.

    You have been further educated.

    Ohh and your forgot to admit you were wrong about slander & libel but then as has been said youre not man enough to admit it...

    Ohhh is that the libel???

    Not man enough???? Ohh thats libel indeed..Sue me!

    Call your attorney...if you cannot afford one,

    most area in the USA have free or reduced cost legal help.

    Out!
     
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  19. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #139
    Yes, exactly. After that, it's all about tweaking and refining the filters.

    And the fact that a number of innocent sites got hit in the first round and that the issue was quickly corrected would tend to support this view.

    Get a grip, Sem - we're talking about whether or not Google has the technology and obviously they do. Everyone else in the world knew this at least 2 or 3 years ago. If they can use it for AdSense, they can use it for regular indexing too.
     
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  20. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #140
    Because Google is not about to relinquish control of the PR system and let people run any way they wish with it.
     
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