Matt Cutts - is this true? Please tell me Google is not that bad!

Discussion in 'Google' started by web 24 7, Sep 26, 2007.

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Should google declare the site with the highest PR as the document owner?

  1. NO, Who is indexed first is the document owner!

    47.5%
  2. NO, Who is linked to from the duplicates is the owner!

    10.2%
  3. NO, Linked to and earliest indexed date is the owner!

    15.3%
  4. YES, Whoever has the highest PR is the owner!

    1.7%
  5. NO, Who ever pays the most to goole god is the owner!

    1.7%
  6. ??, Ugh, they will never get it right anyway!

    40.7%
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  1. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #21
    Document Inception bla bla *cough*

    The results are in, 10 hours ago i copied the OPs page which is a PR3 and it's "inception" was obviously before April 29th.

    Me = Tareeinternet.com
    OP = Martialarm.com

    Why am i beating him in 10 hours?

    The Title tags are showing different in the index despite the whole Head and Meta's being identical, now are you going to risk giving your "opinion" why?

    I also linked back to the source document, and if you want to give me a few more days i'll do some off page and completely own the SERP's for every query related to that document.

    So there you go, i not only duplicated the Op's article but his source code as well.
     
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  2. web 24 7

    web 24 7 Peon

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    #22
    The update to this experiment and test is here
     
    web 24 7, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  3. cooper99

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    #23
    I am posting older articles that have been on my site for awhile in the larger article directories and seeing how it goes. Is there any reason I shouldn't post original content on my site on the article directories?
     
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  4. web 24 7

    web 24 7 Peon

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    #24
    Well if this experiment shows that your articles placed on an articles site might knock your original page out of the search engine it may be wise to not do it.

    Its not proven yet but we will see.

    Simple way maybe shuffle the paragraphs then submit the articles. Then go back to your sites page and add another 1/4 information and text to the original article.
     
    web 24 7, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  5. LoriVa

    LoriVa Peon

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    #25
    In a court of law it is my understanding that the "earliest indexed" article woudn't pass muster because that does not prove ownership--only who put it on the web first.
     
    LoriVa, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  6. tushardhoot1

    tushardhoot1 Active Member

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    #26
    The correct way is the site that is indexed first. But the google way is to give PR a throne.
     
    tushardhoot1, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  7. LoriVa

    LoriVa Peon

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    #27
    Sorry, I meant "who wrote it first" in the above post.

    And the only way to prove who wrote it is to get it copyrighted officially unless you had it notorized.

    I've had clients run into disputes with someone who copied their content and after sending a DMCA report with adequate proof of who had it online first the other party disagreed and then the host wouldn't do anything and court was the next step (some host's don't want to loose a client). Most Hosts will comply with a DMCA however if everything looks legitimate.

    So it's best to get some kind of proof of ownership before you ever post it online.
     
    LoriVa, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  8. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #28
    Bla bla you are trying to prove a point with a lame 5 word keyword term surrounded by quotes.

    When you decide to be a real seo and step up here with some real terms then please pound your chest about your accomplishments.

    Till then, you are simply distributing misinformation and unimportant dribble to webmasters who need less of that, being as the internet is filled with a great deal already. ;)
     
    Sem-Advance, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  9. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #29
    What's up, you don't like being wrong?

    And what are these "real" terms? The ones you are targeting and i can't even find you in the top 100?
     
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  10. web 24 7

    web 24 7 Peon

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    #30
    How about you two anti up and help me get my site to rank for martial arts :)

    I have been trying for a while then gave up to go long tail but the numbers are just not there.
     
    web 24 7, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  11. maldives

    maldives Prominent Member

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    #31
    Some site who steal the content gets indexed faster than the origial content owner. The one who posts the original content is not necessarily the one google index first.
     
    maldives, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  12. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #32
    Thats true, and the one indexed first isnt necessarily the one who ranks.

    Also when we are done with this i will 301 my page to yours so whatever authority thats passed to my URL will go to yours.. Because im pretty sure i dont really need any Martial Arts content or rankings. ;)
     
    sweetfunny, Sep 27, 2007 IP
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    #33
    That is way to funny and well kinda not ... no fun seeing your content scraped and ending up on a higher PR page higher in the serps.
     
    reapr, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  14. web 24 7

    web 24 7 Peon

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    #34
    Well if something this blatantly dumb is being done by google then it needs a shake up.

    I don't want to see my original content dumped by the engines just because a higher PR site scraped my content but will give a chance to sacrifice the page to see if it is possible.

    If it does happen Ill post a thousand momma jokes until his google alerts overloads :)
     
    web 24 7, Sep 28, 2007 IP
  15. Sem-Advance

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    #35
    I'm wrong so often I've lost over $20,000.00 in the last 16 months, so no I have no fantasy I am as good as you.

    It's really early for me to pull the pimp hand, and slap the taste out of your mouth, but I have my coffee so I am good to go.

    You are wasting your time looking past the first page...I don't do Top 100 that is why you cannot find them.

    I do Top 10 Front Page Google.com

    here are some for you to go and learn from,

    police products 4 years straight # 1 2 or 3

    [SIZE=-1]securityandsafetysupply.com Owner Duane

    text to screen # 1 new ranking

    firetext.tv owner Raoul (I know its a .tv right ;))

    pda accessories # 2

    extremepda.com Owner John

    condo investments # 8 (in time I will make it # 1)

    reinalliance.com Owner Sunil

    Richest women

    richestwomen.info # 1 (about a year now but bounces to #3 due to Forbes.com)


    [/SIZE]custom top 8 # 1 (3 months straight)

    profileguy.com

    Owner Me ;)

    Of course there are many more I cannot / care not to publish.

    Peace!
     
    Sem-Advance, Sep 28, 2007 IP
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    pedring Banned

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    #36
    NO, Who is indexed first is the document owner!
     
    pedring, Sep 28, 2007 IP
  17. LoriVa

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    #37
    Not necessarily. It depends on the condition of the site with the original content. If it's a new site then yes, there may be problems, but most scrapers will scrape content from sites that are ranking highly for the terms they are targeting. Those kinds of scrapers rarely rank for the words they scraped because the other site will outrank them for PR and age and probably links too.

    I just found one that had scraped almost every paragraph of "it's articles" from high ranking sites. That site was nowhere to be found for the words they were targeting. Google is sometimes wise where scrapers are concerned.
     
    LoriVa, Sep 28, 2007 IP
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    #38
    I too agree with it. I do have a blog where the posts are not even indexed but when I submit the post as an article it gets on the TOP.
     
    markov, Sep 29, 2007 IP
  19. web 24 7

    web 24 7 Peon

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    #39
    The poll seems to state.

    NO, Who is indexed first is the document owner! - vote 18

    ??, Ugh, they will never get it right anyway! - vote 18

    Sweetfunny it seems not many believe that authority and PR can strip a site of its ranked pages.

    I guess we will soon see the result:

    Duplicate Content Knock Out Challenge
     
    web 24 7, Sep 30, 2007 IP
  20. sundaybrew

    sundaybrew Numerati

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    #40

    Lmao - Is that considered a "web 2.0 " joke :)

    No - but I agree higher pr does not make you the owner.
     
    sundaybrew, Sep 30, 2007 IP