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Matt Cutts Gives Insight To Bigdaddy

Discussion in 'Google' started by Las Vegas Homes, May 16, 2006.

  1. maldives

    maldives Prominent Member

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    #141
    True but, he is only trying to help fellow webmasters. I don't think that is his intention to scare us or jealouse to see DP netowrk growing day by day.
    SEMrush
    He knows better than us about google and theire current and upcoming trends. We should respect his words until proven guilty.
     
    maldives, May 17, 2006 IP
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  2. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #142
    In this instance, I don't believe his primary intent is to help webmasters at all. It's to back them off and stall them while Google figures out a way to fix the mess they've found themselves in.

    I don't mind at all the fact that he obviously is limited in what he can or wants to reveal to webmasters. I do mind that he insults our intelligence by trying to claim that anyone suffering has been involved in shady linking practices, or, even worse, that the problem has already been fixed when it's blatantly obvious that it hasn't been fixed at all.
     
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  3. elkiwi

    elkiwi Active Member

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    #143
    Exactly. Because of the nature of the Coop which is ulimately not evil, Google can't really be against it. But it's not to be encouraged because they haven't figured out how to handle it.
     
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  4. elkiwi

    elkiwi Active Member

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    #144
    I read what he writes and what you write too. Ok he works for Google. But hundeds here don't, who's going to talk more straight?
     
    elkiwi, May 17, 2006 IP
  5. LaCabra

    LaCabra Goats R Us

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    #145
    Minstrel ... the truth will come out ... we know the fricken thing is broken ... and when it does come out - I'll be the first one posting on Matt's blog that he is full of shit .... i've spent endless hours reviewing sites ... competitors, friends, mine -- geezus you name it and many sites DO NOT deserve to be dropping pages from the index - even my competitors ...
     
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    markhutch Peon

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    #146
    Matt reminds me of the "White House Press Secretary". His number one job is to go before the public and put out the company line his bosses what distributed. While Matt may be more independent than most folks, he still works for Google and I doubt very seriously that he ever writes anything that isn't clear in advance of his writing it. I'm glad Google is putting out information to webmasters, but remember what we are hearing is exactly what the company wants us to hear, not necessarily what we NEED to hear!
     
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  7. andre75

    andre75 Peon

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    #147
    Not going to happen. As long as Google is still responsible for most of my Search Engine Traffic I will try to accomodate their requirements. The moment MSN comes close, I will try to accomodate them.
     
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    andre75 Peon

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    #148
    Well, I don't even know who that guy is, but if he is in any way associated with Google, why should I trust any of what he is saying? After all Google is out to make money and spreading rumors is a big part of their business. So I couldn't agree more with you on that one.
    After all thats how they became big in the first place (word of mouth). Google understands it like no other company to influence the perception of people. They came up with the ingenious beta idea (Gmail) and everyone went nuts to sign up, forgetting completely that google reads their mail (contextual ads).

    I guess what I am trying to say: Google is good at manipulating People and how people perceive them. They understand it like no other company.
    This whole "don't be evil" thing is just a scam that follows the same purpose. What other company could afford to violate peoples privacy in the manner they are and simply reply "we are not evil". Certainly Microsoft couldn't get away with it.

    So whatever comes out of that guys mouth, I don't believe a single word of it.
     
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  9. mad4

    mad4 Peon

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    #149
    In the UK google has a 75% market share. Even if people know their results are crap it will take 5 years for another search engine to take over.

    One thing I have taken away from Matt Cutts rantings today is that PR is alive and well.

    Anyone who doesn't care about PR needs to think carefully about how google decides to crawl pages.
     
    mad4, May 17, 2006 IP
  10. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #150
    If you mean Public Relations, aka Damage Control, I totally agree.
     
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  11. Roman

    Roman Buffalo Tamer™

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    #151
    PR is just as broken as their search engine is, infact, the PR problems may be the cause of it all.
     
    Roman, May 18, 2006 IP
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    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #152

    Agreed, in the UK Google is not so much King, as the Lord God Almighty. Google TOTALLY owns search in the Uk, and if your not in their SERP's then your not in the game at all. :(
     
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    #153
    Huh? You mean people shouldn't have a PR8 after a few weeks and a dozen links? :rolleyes:
     
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    Roman Buffalo Tamer™

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    #154
    Maybe I shouldn't complain, maybe they deserve that pr 8, what do I know, my home page hasn't changed pr since Sept. 2005 and my new inner pages have higher pr than my home page, so obiously it's my fault and I'm doing something wrong.
     
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    #155
    I had forgotten about the last faulty PR-update; I'd bet you're right... that was the start of the big de-indexing problems.
     
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    Roman Buffalo Tamer™

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    #156
    That wasn't the first, the January PR update had some issues as well and that one was well past the ave. 3 months between them. I think the problems stem back to Jagger or just after, my guess is Sept. 2005.

    If true, this is something very serious, maybe a googlebuster;) as it is comming up on 9 months and things are getting worse.
     
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    drionix Peon

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    #157
    It sounds like more and more people are hating Google. Who wouldn't after the big blunders that have happened. :(

    On my opinion the cause of that, aside from their marketing/money making schemes, is that they are getting over protective on their SERPs against the countless number of spams they are having.

    I have seen countless number of sites implementing strict protections and rules in their sites that are causing more harms than solutions to the End-Users. It's the price of their over protection that things like these happen, which can only be corrected through a long time of trial and errors.

    I mean, I do not and shall not expect these problems will be solved immediately. What we can do is just give them our feedbacks and violent reactions and then wait for them to finish their part. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. Caios

    Caios Peon

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    #158
    I think the problems just got worse.

    If I do site:www_mydomain_com

    It says results 1-2 of 68, was about 320. Even though it says 68 its only showning 2 pages, homepage index and the an attached forum index. The forum is showing as supplemental too

    This is a new development isnt it?

    I havnt been looking at this stuff for long but that blog seams a smoke screen. It may explain the future plans but it doesnt explain the current situation.

    Matt says today "I’m not saying not to do reciprocal links. I only said that in the cases that I checked out, some of the sites were probably being crawled less because those reciprocal links weren’t counting as much."

    uum, the story changes again.
     
    Caios, May 18, 2006 IP
  19. LaCabra

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    #159
    PR is a load of crap! I've been saying this for at least a year. PR is misleading and has NOTHING to do with the actual authoritive nature of the site and its owner(s). Google is blowing smoke up your ass folks!!! In one of my niches, I have tons of regional industry associations which are THE authorities in my market space, yet they have a PR of 2, 3 or maybe 4 whilst some MFA and affiliate sites have PR5 and better. Give me a break!!!

    Compound the problem by people buying/selling PR based links.... wow! Is that what makes your site an authorative site? Yah you know what I'm talking about ... "PR 6 lifetime link $99 - click here" .... BULLSHIT, that means that someone has been conned into to buying a PR6 link that will most likely disappear in the next PR update.

    Furthermore I see huge descrepancies in PR distribution/allocation for non-english authorative sites aswell. Give me a break!!!! They GEO this and GEO that, yet they can not GEO their way out of a wet paper bag in terms of finding authorative sites/bodies outside the US, let alone inside! ...
     
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  20. wisam74us

    wisam74us Well-Known Member

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    #160
    The worst overall
    Today morning before going to work I did my daily site: stuff, it was horrible the last month , but this morning I can call it disastrous, more than 10 sites of mine stay with just home page indexed by Google.
    What happened is the contrary , that I was waiting for some improvements but I get the worst.
    Regardless I like Google or not ,but I can t deal with a thing which I can t understand and which deny my sites with no reasons, actually in the past when we try to show customers good results we get used to tell them go to google and search for something ( By the way SEO customer don t care 50% about Google and 30% about yahoo and 20% about MSN any good results in those three will be ok for them ) now I don t think we can tell them go to Google the new pattern of sales will be like :
    "Are you in front of your computer now, then go to MSN and search for "
     
    wisam74us, May 18, 2006 IP