I agree. I would steer clear of PR8. PR7 should be sufficient but still under the Google's radar. I remember bluefind very well. Had 3 sites listed there, not for very long though...
There is definitely a history of google taking high pr directories down a notch or two, so we have to be careful, and really think about quality. Aviva is one that I feel has done a great job in this area. I haven't looked at every nook and cranny, but I think they would withstand a review by google quite well.
Actually this was the main thread. Nothing to do with pagerank. somebody mentioned about the bidding model and I clarified that Matt Cutts had not said anything about where the sites are positioned, but WHAT is listed. I think Yahoo dir and all the other major directories offer better positioning for a fee. thx
I believe BlueFind made a lot of money in a short time when they had the PR 8. The pagerank DID matter. On the other hand, google seems very interested in anything they can find about a high pagerank directory that might be buying links like BlueFind may have done, so you have to be ready to be examined.
Well actually people trying to buy or sell Pagerank get in trouble. I think that all these free directories or directories which list spammy sites will see some type of answer from Google. According to what Matt Cutts said, is that directories should actually see and review the sites being listed. This also gives reason for a new trend in directories. Quality & not volume.
Yes, I agree. Quality links is what is critical. If it appears people are buying and selling pagerank, that is going to be a problem. So you have to decide for yourself what constitues buying and selling pagerank, and also decide if google would agree if they examined the site.
Exactly. The great part of it is, is that directories used to be considered 'Link Farms' and hopefully that misconception is gone after Matt Cutts post. I think that people now will be careful on where they are submtting their site. Directory owners I guess will start concentrating on editorial policies, submission guidelines and measures to protect their directory's integrity.
You still cannot control who links to your site so having a link in a directory with poor editorial integrity should not effect your site's ranking IMO. It may just not have any value compared to a link from a directory with good editorial integrity.
Yes, I agree with that. It just gets trickier if there are paid links involved, especially when the payment seems to extend beyond the simple review process.
That is where the submitter has to be an editor and make sure that the directory has editorial integrity. Paying to be listed in a directory that lists lots of spammy sites in any old category is like throwing your money away.
Here is what Matt Cutts says And to do a genuine evaluation, takes time and money. The site's listed in my opinion need to be checked frequently as well as some may vanish or some may change their theme.
I'm not afraid of a PR8. Everything I do and have done from the start has been 100% honest. Pagerank is NOT the end all, see all, be all for me. I want a resource, bottom line. I would like for my resource to be able to maintain its integrity and employ an editor or two. Other characteristics attract people other than pagerank, so It's not everything. Everything I ever make and even more, out of my own pockets, goes right back into my project(s). I'm poorer now than when I started my endeavor. thanks! I say meh, w/e p.s. I've rejected 6-8 listings these past 3-4 days.
Here is my old thread about PR8 site. IMO, I think there is certain risk especially if a site grows so fast. Even a new site run by a major company doesn't go PR8 in a year or two. I don't mean that achieving PR8 is impossible, but it is difficult and the owner must take VERY good care of it. At least, trying to get PR8 simply by buying links is probably very dangerous. I think making G happy for PR8 is something more than buying links for its maintenance.
Google does not like a directory getting PR8 because of these reasons Example: if www.avivadirectory.com gets PR8 its pages will be definitely PR7 Then I am submitting a quality site with about 85 backlinks in Google and if it is accepted The site would lie on a PR7 page and if there is no other site in that page I would get easily PR4 or greater So suppose if about 100 people like John Scott,Chris, start these directories and promote it heavily and get PR8 Then anyone can easily beat their competitor by submitting to just 10 directories like this (The site being submitted is of good quality) Result:Top rankings in certain keywords will be new ->Less visitors to Google->loss of Revenue to Google I do not know what is page rank based upon ? Whether on Quality of the page? No Whether on Visitors to the page? No Suppose if I have a PR8 site and I link it to a PR0 crap site (which has only one -10 pages with my name only) By next update it would be easily gain PR of 3 By what standarads the page has PR3? I have asked this question myself manytimes but I have failed to find an answer This is because I have a co.nr site which is PR2!