Matt Cutts and the paid links

Discussion in 'Google' started by pixads, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. sarathy

    sarathy Peon

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    #461

    lol., You Say
    1) webmasters should not buy links for pr / manipulating rankings., But they can still buy links for advertising
    2) For getting ranking, you can try several other methods other than buying links., This still mean, you try to manipulate rankings., what do you try to say then?
     
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  2. sarathy

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    #462
    If PR is the problem, google can just stop showing PR and use it for their internal purpose.,
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #463
    They already pretty much do that.

    They export PR only periodically, when they feel like it.

    When they do export PR, it is already out of date.

    The only people impressed with public PR are the terminally naive... the same people who seem to be impressed with Alexa rankings.
     
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    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #464
    No.. I think by "innocent webmasters" I meant blog comment spammers, Forum sig spammers and other spamming forms of spammers who doesnt spend a penny on thier sites. they go and get a cheap .info domain and make their way up by spamming endlessly. :rolleyes:

    What part of my post was that much hard that you got completely lost doc??

    By inncoent webmaster I mean innocent webmasters.. who work his ass off to get his site a better ranking. who doesnt have enough money to buy links. but yet he got "Devalued" because some jerk asshole reported his site/links as paid when they were not and/or google thought yeppie we found just another ass clown.. lets "Devalue" his sorry ass..


    And yeah Paid links are so evil that Yahoo Directory is the Crappiest Site of the net while ODP-DMOZ is the most valueable site, Agree doc??
     
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  5. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #465
    All of it. If you wouldn't mind starting fresh and trying to make it make sense, it wouldbe really appreciated.

    I see. It's just a giant conspiracy to "get" the little guy... uh-huh...

    By the way, can you show us a single example of where this has actually happened? I mean besides in your catastrophic fantasy world?

    You are still totally confused about the difference between advertising and PageRank.
     
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  6. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    For me you are not making much sense either....
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    I gathered that. I would imagine this is not something unusual for you, though, is it? :rolleyes:
     
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    ahkip Prominent Member

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    #469
    That's a really good post. Some webmasters work very hard to promote their websites and don't just go off and spam their website in 100,000 accounts on different forums where they have 1 post. Some webmasters work hard on submitting to directories, exchanging on social networking websites, etc. and Google will demote their website if they get reported. It's a sad, sad world. :/
     
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    ahkip Prominent Member

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    #470
    guess what , those are not better than spamming. What you are doing is still trying to manipulate search result.
     
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    #471
    So what can webmasters do to manipulate search result?,
    Can he do anyother thing other than buying links., Its a stupid move from google
     
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    So what are we supposed to do with links that we have already paid for?
     
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    #473
    yeap nothing new
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #474
    I think the point is Google is trying to PREVENT you from "manipulating search results"...

    I have posted links to three articles in this thread alone. Have you bothered to read any of them?

    Nothing. They are advertising. They may bring you visitors. They may still pass PR, depending on the nature and origin of the links, at least for now. There is no penalty for having them.
     
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  15. sarathy

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    #475
    ofcourse, And it was informative and helped me learn certain things on blog spamming, link baiting, article spamming, spamming through bookmarks. Long live google on stopping link buying, there are various ways to spam other than link buying
     
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    #476



    I like your style.... you tell it how it is. I agree with you and back you up on your comments 100%.
     
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    #477
    No, you're still not getting it. This isn't about spamming.

    Create a product, add-on, plug-in, tool, or service that others find useful; write an article that others find informative and authoritative; do something that other people will want to link to because it enhances their sites for their human visitors; or create content specifically for someone else's site that links back to your site as the author - that legitimately gets you links that aren't "artifical" and no one, including Google, will object to.
     
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    #478
    i wonder what big directories gonna say about this. like business.com or yahoo directory.
     
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  19. sarathy

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    #479
    I agree with adding plugs, useful information, but even that should be linked only using the domain name, if it needs to be legitimate, Others wont link us with a cool, anchor text, only we have to instruct them to use a particular anchor text to gain rankings., Which means, we are trying to manipulate rankings using methods other than link buying
     
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    Nothing. DMOZ won't say anything either. The really big directories will continue to thrive for the three people who still use them for finding information and for all of the webmasters who will continue to believe that they'll gain PR from them.

    What will likely dwindle are the hundreds/thousands of non-edited general pay-for-inclusion directories that everyone knows exist solely for selling PR.

    Does that mean that smaller directories have no purpose? No, not at all. But as I've been saying for months (or maybe it's up to years by now), no one is going to visit these general all-purpose directories for anything but links. If you want to launch or maintain a successful directory these days, make it a niche directory that is human-edited and highly selective.

    Nonsense. If I want to link to a product, service, or information piece, I can't remember the last time I posted it as a raw link - that doesn't help my visitors, does it? I use anchor text of my choosing which describes the product, service, or information at the end of that link. That isn't to help the recipient of the link especially, although it does help him - it's to help my visitors.
     
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