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Matt Cutts and the paid links

Discussion in 'Google' started by pixads, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. Solicitors Mortgages

    Solicitors Mortgages Well-Known Member

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    #301
    Natural links do not work, In 3 years i wouldn't think I have had anyone link to my classifieds site because they wanted to. That's going to leave a lot of people nowhere.
    SEMrush
    Paying for a link provides the MOST targetted results. I am not going to buy a link to my site that uses the phrase "car mechanic"
    It is this that has made Google the best, because the results reflect the sites according to what they have links for.
    My pocket is not bottomless, and neither are many. I would not think there are many people who can financially affect Google serps to any degree, those who can will do it via adwords... and put our megre efforts down the list.

    It won't be long before Google decides to put adsense results as the TOP 10 results on the page. I wonder if this will cause a stir.
     
    Solicitors Mortgages, Apr 21, 2007 IP
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  2. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #302
    Maybe this will help (and note the date for this post - as I said, this is nothing new):

    Text links and PageRank
    Matt Cutts
    September 1, 2005

     
    minstrel, Apr 21, 2007 IP
  3. Solicitors Mortgages

    Solicitors Mortgages Well-Known Member

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    #303
    I already read that a long time ago and still think its a load of crap.

    "Selling links muddies the quality of link-based reputation and makes it harder for many search engines (not just Google) to return relevant results."

    As I said above (don't know if you read it),
    ...paying for links actually creates relevent results.

    I tell you what Minny, give me an advert on your site, a banner. Do it for free and include the no follow tag.

    Obviously you don't want any payment for your time or bandwidth.
    Thanks, When will it be up? :)
     
    Solicitors Mortgages, Apr 21, 2007 IP
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  4. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #304
    I'm not trying to say that buying or selling links is some sort of capital offence. And I have nothing against advertising. Neither does Google.

    What I'm saying, and what Google is very clearly saying, is that you need to be very careful what sort of advertising you buy and what sort of text links you buy. If your sole intent is to increase PR, be aware that you may not achieve that goal, especially if you are clumsy about it or purchase from a company that is blatantly selling links for PR purposes.

    And if you are in the business of selling links for PR and you get caught, don't expect sympathy if people discover that your links no longer benefit them and you need to find a new way to make money.

    And by the way, most of my comments in this thread about purchased links in general apply especially to the increasingly common practice of trying to purchase links from pages on an EDU site. This is just plain dumb. To all of those who are actively buying such links, please save your money. Or if you insist on throwing it away, send it to me and I'll at least find a worthy charity for you.
     
    minstrel, Apr 21, 2007 IP
  5. amitpatel_3001

    amitpatel_3001 Results Follow Patience

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    #305
    does that refer to any edu link? I mean i have bought couple links via big professional companies , if you want i can show you the URL by PM, and i think those may help
     
    amitpatel_3001, Apr 21, 2007 IP
  6. bacanze

    bacanze Peon

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    #306
    Dont argue with minstrel, hes a doctor you know :D
     
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  7. amitpatel_3001

    amitpatel_3001 Results Follow Patience

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    #307
    If you are referring to me, iam not arguing - just enquiring so i dont throw my money into crap things :)
    Taking advices :)
     
    amitpatel_3001, Apr 21, 2007 IP
  8. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #308
    EDU link sellers are preying on an already debunked myth. Is the link going to help you? Maybe. But if so it has nothing to do with it being an EDU link. Forget about the fact that it even IS an EDU link and look at all other aspects of that link before making a decision.

    http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archives/2007/03/fun_forum_finds.html

    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-article-in-newsweek

    In comments:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1756437348670651505

    I’m on debunking duty
    Matt Cutts
    December 8, 2006

    In comments:

     
    minstrel, Apr 21, 2007 IP
  9. amitpatel_3001

    amitpatel_3001 Results Follow Patience

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    #309
    That has made my point clear, thanks for the quotes
    1. Ignore .Edu Link Sales threads
    2. .Edu may never help you unless its from a respected/trusted website linking you naturally
     
    amitpatel_3001, Apr 21, 2007 IP
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    egdcltd Peon

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    #310
    Never mind how open to abuse this idea is, I would say it comes very close to contravening Antitrust legislation. We don't agree with any type of advertising, unless it's ours of course?
     
    egdcltd, Apr 25, 2007 IP
  11. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #311
    *sigh*

    I really wish people would read before posting.

    1. This has nothing to do with AntiTrust legislation.

    2. This is not about advertising.

    You are free to advertise anywhere you wish using banners, text links, or any other format you choose. Google is not penalizing anyone for advertising.

    However, what Google IS doing -- and has been doing increasingly for the past couple of years -- is limiting the PageRank value you will receive from such advertising.

    Place as many ads as you wish wherever you wish. That's not a problem. Whatever traffic you receive from those ads is fine.

    Just don't expect that buying a text link at the bottom of someone else's page is going to boost your PageRank or Google ranking.
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2007 IP
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    #312
    Minstel ftw!

    Even though I think the debate is pointless, because google is not going after paid links. And I don't believe Cutts, because he said the same thing 2 years ago.

    I think minstrel is right. If you suddenly blow up, and have enough links and PR being passed to be a PR8 from a PR1, they are gonna take notice. They may devalue some links.

    But this is not about advertisement, or traffic... it's about illegitimitely raising yourself in the SERPS (and possibly getting a higher PR). It can't be about antitrust, or google taking over, because they only control the results on google.com. Don't like it? Don't use it. Pretty simple, antitrust is when there are no other options. They just don't want some junk MFA site #1 on every result. Do you?
     
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    Perrow Well-Known Member

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    #313
    I've been doing a lot of *sighing* as well the last few days. Let me copy a quote from another thread about this issue:

    Can be found here

    ps. If you need good quotes, quote yourself :)
     
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    cldnails Well-Known Member

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    #314
    I think Matt's in ability to answer all the serious questions on his blog leads to widespread speculation, thus fueling the fire of debates such as this. The sad thing is that it could all be cleared up with a few 'clearly' written statements from him or someone else at Google.

    It's all just kind of silly.
     
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    #315
    long thread , matt is really cutting in
     
    procrastinator, Apr 25, 2007 IP
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    Cheap SEO Services <------DoFollow Backlinks

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    #316
    Nice pun there :D

    Col :)
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #317
    What's to be cleared up? Really?

    If people take this one blog post, try to read between the lines, and then augment that with hysterical speculation, you get threads like this one.

    If you read this latest blog post in the context of what Matt Cutts and others from Google have been saying for years, it's blindingly clear that this is nothing new. The messages over the months and years about buying and selling PageRank have been very clear and very consistent.

    There's no mystery about this. Nothing hidden. Except the specifics of how the filters work and of course Google is never going to tell us that part.
     
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    phealey Well-Known Member

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    #318
    Its not rocket science google can look on this forum for sellers and buyers of paid links or a few specialist companys.

    Dont buy Links .......you are dancing with the Devil LOL ....
     
    phealey, Apr 25, 2007 IP
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    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    #319
    At least they aren't penalizing you... :rolleyes:


    Is there a glossary out there that explains Google's terms?

    Why would anyone want to pay for a link if not for advertising and traffic?

    Likewise, how can something be 'devalued', 'filtered', 'limited' or knocked down by any other term and that not be a penalty?


    According to many of the posts in this thread nothing is happening, nothing will happen, and nothing has ever happened...simply based on the circular speech and floppy terms being used. Whether it's the members of this forum, or terms given by Google, something is certainly amiss...as either it IS about advertising or it isn't, and paid links ARE ads). Links are either penalized or they aren't, and not getting the full worth of a link IS a penalty.
     
    Qryztufre, Apr 25, 2007 IP
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    cldnails Well-Known Member

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    #320
    Well, I don't have the time yet this morning to comb through all the comments on his blog, but the first that comes to mind.

    Where does the burden of proof lie, if links are reported by a competitor?
     
    cldnails, Apr 25, 2007 IP