heh heh ok, I'll put my sarcasm off to the side here. Well, for the moment. These clowns are just too fun to make fun of. Beach house, That's funny. This is for the posters who use their brain, who have common sense: First off, Kern has very little traffic at his OWN site. What does that, by itself tell you? He is one of those who spin shit to make it look like he knows what he is talking about, that he has achieved something, when in reality all he spouts is shit. He then gets a bunch of affiliates, and combines that with his own ads and posting in blogs and whatnot, and voila! ... You see him all over the place. Just because you see a guy's, ANY guy's name everywhere does not mean anything. You then have moron noobs who praise him partly because they see his name everywhere and then THEY start posting about him, and, again, voila! ... It then appears that he is somebody. Before you buy ANYTHING, do your homeowork! Ask questions! Ask for sample advice and tips! Check their sites out! And, do you dopes even know what is in his "product" that makes the price so high??? Do you EVEN know what you are buying? Think, will ya. If you don't do your homeowork and ask those questions, and you buy that shit, ANY kind of shit, anyway, thus getting ripped off, you have only yourself to blame.
What are their sites? Show the sources from which you got that from. Yeah, and?... So that means something? By the way...who are you? It's about the money, in which he makes very, very little. I can tell that just by looking at his dead site, where he tries to sell this stuff. Let's get real here. Folks, do your homework!
Ya know I typically avoid antagonists like this dude, but I hate it when nay sayers try to make the "action takers" look like the delusioned ones. Attached is a pic of just 1 of my 3 accounts for Frank. It's not a million bucks, but just this one account alone nearly breaks the 6 figure mark in the year. Added with the others, it's adds up to a couple nice bucks. Enough to buy a slurpee or two and a killer Iron Maiden T-Shirt.
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560762 How Dan Grossman, a mod over at SitePoint shows the inexperienced how easy it is to fake screenshots (or anything, for that matter) on the Net. For you inexperienced who are tired of buying crap, read post #33, on page 2. Funny stuff. Gotta love it.
Ouch, busted me again! If would of been even more awesome evidence if you showed everyone that I own a Photoshop Tutorial site as well. http://www.photoshopguides.com
LMAO! I nearly fell out of my chair! And they ya go, folks. See what you can find out if you only do your homework first?
Frank has told me all I need to know with his introduction videos. In fact he has given away the whole plot. (Thanks) "Come across as a nice guy, an expert on your subject and make people trust you by being low key. Then you can sell your product for a lot of money because of the perceived value" He does that and does it well. He comes across as the sort of guy I would like to hang out with and have for a friend. A few beers and a laugh around the swimming pool. He is the young, cool, laid back, good looking rich guy that we all want to be. Question: What if he was a funny looking fat middle aged nerd with thick glasses who lived in Nebraska and told us that his hobby was collecting Star Wars figurines? Would he be any less of an expert on marketing? No. Would we be as willing to pay him $2000? No. He is not selling marketing information. He is selling the impossible dream that we can be like him or at least be his friend.
Perry I didn't come out here to attack you, I posted to maybe help you with some of your misconceptions. I don't have a lot of time right now, but I want to briefly respond to you in this way. I work for an Internet marketing company with one of the top UK Internet entrepreneurs. He grew his business as a result from training from Frank kern himself. I have seen Mass Control as a result of working for this person. Since I don't have his permission to use his name, I won't be. Needless to say, if you Googled his name, you'd find many sites valuing him and his assets at around 3-5 million dollars. Having hands on first hand experience of his business, i don't doubt this figure. You want to know who I am? Who are you sunshine? If you're so smart, how much are you making? My guess is nothing, because you spend all day slating other people and bitching on a forum. Let me guarantee, no matter what you say on this forum Jason, Frank, their friends affiliates, and customers will be the ones laughing at the end of this product launch. You're bitter. You've probably been scammed before. I have been too. I was once a pretty angry guy on a forum as well at one point. Anyone trying to sell me anything that might have helped my business was viewed through my eyes as a blood-sucking scam artist. But you know what, I grew up did some due diligence and found the guys I trusted. Frank is one of those guys and so is Jason. My boss trusted their advice info, and has done some affiliate work with them, and is a lot better off for it today. Its because of that success I have a job at the moment in this industry. Hey, I've never bought Mass Control myself, but I guess when I think about it I owe Frank a lot. This product is not for newbies, its not for opportunity seekers trying to make 75 dollars a day using black hat techniques. Its for serious internet business owners and marketers who are keen to try and develop their strategies and have the money to spend. Frank admits this himself. You are bitter and some what twisted. Your inability to open your mind and engage with people on any kind of mature or intelligent level is alienating you from potential business partners and people who could really help you out. Meeting every dissenting opinion with sarcasm and aggression does not serve you well at all. You question my sources? What are your sources? You are the one making baseless accusations against people who as far as I can tell have never harmed you. I really can't believe I have taken this much time to answer you, considering I already know what kind of response I'll get to it, but seriously, negativity doesn't serve you well. I AGREE with you, you need to be smart and do your due diligence, but you've also got to learn not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Seriously, I get nothing from this. No money, no nothing. I don't know Frank and probably never will. Am I a fan of his? Questionable, but I sure as hell respect what he teaches and what he is about. That doesn't even matter though. I am just trying to clarify my position and maybe give you some food for thought. I am pretty sure you're one of those people that will never admit they are wrong, and hey thats cool. I can be like that as well, but don't miss the wood for the trees. Good luck and rave safe.
Ahh, but what is information "worth"? If you have bad pimples is it "worth" paying $79 for an e-book on "How to have clear skin"? Yes, probably. Unless the information is available for free everywhere. There really aren't many "secrets" about pimples. Here's one for you. "Extend your life by 20 years". Only $2000. Isn't 20 years of life WORTH $2000? So here is the secret: (drum roll) Eat good food. Exercise. Don't drink. Don't smoke.
Sorry, amac08, but I was simply asking you questions. "Misconceptions"? I'm very experienced in not only marketing, but helping show the less experienced on how to know the reality of it all. Also, how to spot scammers (I'm not saying that this Kern guy is. I never have.), and affiliates who lie so they can sell such crap. Look at my past posts, I was showing others how to spot bullshit, like that Moffatt is shooting off in his, "I have a beach house" posts. hehe The guy has very, VERY slow site. Jesus. lol There are noobs here who have more traffic. Besides, sorry, you aren't talking to some noob who says a product is great, just because others say it is. Those saying it are blowhard affiliates, and, dumbass noobs who can't think their way out of a walk-in closet. It could be a good product, but from what I have found out, and from my experience, the odds are that it is just crap. What is his URL? Um, I'm not praising some guy who sells crap, and he has a VERY slow site, YOU are. Um, actually, it's teasing, and, exposing such people. Hey, it's fun. What can I say. The bottom line: Posters here, and people out there everywhere are tired of getting ripped off, and buying a product that is not all that great. Period. Don't like my replies in this thread? Gee, that's too bad. I'm sure many will learn from it, thus saving their hard-earned money. Here, have an ice cream cone, and try to have a good day.
For those who do do their homework before buying anything like this.... http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/424/RipOff0424761.htm I don't know if it is true, but, there it is, nevertheless. Ahhh, the power of cheese. Er, I mean, a search engine. heh
Umm... I didn't see perry bitching anything, or being bitter or whatnot. Umm.... YOU claimed to know people who do millions, so by the logic it's you who is to prove that claim. As far as I know, perry didn't say any references - perry was only making points how easy is to say stuff like "beach house" or "making millions" without ever giving any proof. I think perry had a sensible question. With that being said: I'm not suggesting that I'd agree with Perry or anything for that matter. To me it's simply rational questioning. Nothing wrong with that. --- For one thing I didn't understand: perry, you said it's easy to do fake screenshots (we all know that)... but you know... that like doesn't prove wrong what Jason is saying . And on that sitepoint thread, there's some fake screenshots... so..? (sorry, might be my English, but I wasn't sure what you were trying to prove with that sitepoint thread: were you suggesting that "Jason is lying" or that "faking income is easy"?) I think one should be as critical to these type of reports as other stuff as well. Indeed this sounds like bad business practice and inexperienced customer care. If it's true, then it's bad practise. On the other hand, one should be bit sceptical about site that tells about ripoff reports meanwhile is selling some sort "verified safe business (get-rich?) stuff" and telling stuff like "Companies steal from your bank account" (all of them?). The site looks bit like it wants to create panic... and sell stuff while doing that (It's worth checking of course, but I'd put things into perspective too) Would be nice to hear Frank commenting the ripoff report...
Frank Kern to me show details 11:02 pm Reply For some strange reason, I watched the news this weekend. All it talked about was how there's "no money" and how we're all basically doomed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THAT IS THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These folks are not entrepreneurs and they are WRONG. Here's proof: Today at 10 AM PST, I launched Mass Control 2.0. According to "experts", the odds were against me because: 1. We're in a recession and nobody's buying stuff. 2. I launched on a Monday. 3. People are waiting before making any purchasing decisions because they want to see if/when any economic stimulus package will be passed. 4. I launched on a holiday. 5. Blah blah blah... Let me tell you something. 99.99% of the people spouting this junk are barely making enough to live on. Newscasters are NOT entrepreneurs. They are NOT in business for themselves. They are NOT financial experts. They are nothing but paid employees who are reading a script. So here's what I'd say to the "experts" who would tell you that a blockbuster product launch wouldn't be possible today: "SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND GET OUT OF THE WAY." And the reason I'd say that is because 1,914 (and counting) of your fellow entrepreneurs STEPPED UP AND TOOK CHARGE of their businesses today when they claimed their copies of Mass Control. With that many new customers, this is my personal biggest launch to date (despite the "odds".) <--- almost $4 million today. So why did these people ignore the wage-slave talking heads on TV? Why did they decide to step up and put Mass Control to work in their businesses? Because it works. And because it's been proven to work over and over again. Not just for "gurus" but for "regular" people as well. And because Mass Control 2.0 teaches you how to do the ONLY thing that's guaranteed to make money ...no matter what else is happening in the world. ...And that one thing is this: MAKE SALES. At the end of the day, that's what Mass Control does for you. It gets you sales. And today's launch results are proof. So I'd like to invite you to become a Mass Control 2.0 owner right now and JOIN US. Join the ranks of entrepreneurs who are committed to creating businesses that CRUSH the odds. Join the ranks of entrepreneurs who REFUSE to listen to negativity ...and who are committed to THRIVING AND CONTRIBUTING even in these so-called difficult times. Watch this video, see what Mass Control can do for you, and if it "feels right", then go for it.
As I mentioned before, I am not going to use my employer's name on the site to win an argument with strangers on the Internet. I am in secure employment though as a result of this entrepreneur's efforts and for me, that is more than enough. Gameproducer, perry has claimed Jason is lying, without ANY evidence of this at all except to say that he COULD be lying. That is a baseless accusation whether you understand it to be or not. With no evidence he is implying that this is a bad product and jason is a liar. I'd say when you're saying things like that, you DO need to provide proof. In light of the lack of proof offered from perry, I don't feel obliged to share my personal details or proof here either. To Perry: The fact that the site is slow, or doesn't have a stream of constant traffic is irrelevant in this particular case, as this website and business is based on a product launch method where fast traffic is generated by using affiliate's mailing lists etc. There are 2500 units being sold on this course, and a 500 seat seminar is included in the price of the course on a first-come, first-served basis. I am not some noob spouting off saying everyone should buy this product. People without he money to invest and with little experience online SHOULDN'T buy this course. Again, Frank has said this himself. He has also said it doesn't work for everyone, and not everyone who buys it is going to use it, o no, not everyone is going to make money from this. But the fact is the guy has been doing this for a couple of years now and there are a great number of people who have had great success with this. Established businessmen attribute a lot of their success to Mr.Kern. I would post the forum threads where this can be evidenced, but I don't want to divert DP users to another forum. Some people will buy this, and WILL make money with this, regardless of whether you like it, them or the business. This isn't for everyone, and people should ALWAYS exercise caution and due diligence when making a purchase decision of this magnitude. Don't mistake my reaction as one of being "wanting to be part of the crowd". You came on this thread and rubbished some one and their product with no reason, then you called some one else a liar. I am offering the counter argument, from a neutral position. By all means, I'm an advocate of getting the facts straight, but seriously, what is the point in being so obnoxious without any evidence for it at all except someone's site runs slow and they don't have a great alexa rank? I think you Perry, do more harm than good. If you are genuinely trying to help people, then thats noble but I don't see much evidence of that and I don't really understand what good you are doing. Had you come here and given some suggestions on what to consider before purchasing, this would have been a different ball game. You didn't you just came in here with a bunch of negativity and accusations. Thats up to you though I guess. Each to their own.
I also want to say, that if anyone is REALLY interested in who I work with etc then get in touch with me privately and I'll be happy to discuss it. That is if you are genuinely interested and seek proof of what I say. If you're just looking to argue about it, then don't bother with it.
Not much different than what I expected... some skeptics and then some affiliates running in telling us how great the product is. Honestly, I don't care about either point of view. I would rather hear from people who have actually purchased the product to be quite honest. I doubt I'll ever bite on it just because as Frank says, I don't want it bad enough. From what I have seen though, his material is really good. It definitely enlightened me on a few marketing thoughts, and hey, I wish there was more free material out there like that! Say what you want, but his free videos are good.
"Win an argument"?? Uh, this isn't high school. And although PHPGator specifically wants to hear from those who have bought it, which looks like nobody here has (no surprise), it should also be pointed ou that this product is not as great as noobs think it is. In addition that many affiliates lie so they can sell this, or ANY product. A lot of people come here looking for advice in that area too. And I had a hunch you wouldn't show the url anyway. That, by itself tells volume. Uh, actually, yeah, it is relevant. Sorry, but save that line for the ones who don't know any better. It takes a certain amount of traffic to make a certain amount of money. I'll say it again...people are tired of either being ripped off, or buying a product that is not as great as it appears to be. That's the bottom line. And if they do their homeowrk, like I did, they will see this product as not necessarily a rip off, but not as great as it is claimed to be. And, yes, when I see that an affiliate is lying, or telling little white lies, I will call him out on it. Nobody else will, and somebody has to do it to make posters who may be interested in this stuff think first. Don't like it? Sorry, too bad. Look, let's just agree to disagree. And, yeah, this overrated $2,000 thing will still be sold. There are suckers out there, so.... Experienced REAL marketing webmasters know this to be true... \ His product, MAY be good, but from what I have checked out and seen, uh, nope. He says in his video that he has sold over 9,000 items via his video(s). Among other lies when he says he made such and such money in a certain amount of time. Did he sell these in his site(s)? If so, we more experienced webmasters caught him in a lie. His site is very VERY slow. It's interesting but not uncommon, that he hasn't given any free tips, samples from this thing. It's just sales talk. "This stuff is really cool...." Folks, if he, or anybody does not do this, walk the other way. Even shit can look good when wrapped in pretty wrapping, tied with a pretty blue bow. Always remember that.