my BL didnt change, or if they did it was like 10 + or - but the other day when i ran site:supportcave.com in google it had only 799 relsults but i noticed in the last week , every few days it went up a few hundred more pages till now site:supportcave.com Results 1 - 10 of about 3,370 from supportcave.com for WOW finally their doing some really crawling of my site
Bob Mutch --- Ive been around for a while, and noticed you have lots of good posts. Im just wondering if you can tell me... do you really think PR is that important anymore? I understand that it is the basis to the Google Search engine, but I see little evidence after PR updates that rankings really change THAT much. Id love to hear more input on this. Im not debating this at all (or stirring the pot) I am just curious on peoples thoughts... especially yours Bob Mutch.
PR really doeasn;t matter anymore. It;s just to measure the importance of a website, as others see it, and to measure the quickness on the GoogleBot's visits. THe only thing that matters today are to be first on : allinanchor: (counts 80%) allintitle: allinurl: (optional) and off-course content.
I have noticed Some of the PR 10 sites dropped to PR 9. SO i believe PR update has started.... some of sites lost their PR10 status are http://www.ercim.org/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/ http://www.nasa.gov/home/ http://www.googlestore.com/ http://www.google-store.com/ http://froogle.google.com/ I used this http://www.toprankingtools.com/google-dance-tool/
I see some new baclinks apearing, from 266 to 1990 in mc.dar tool. Thans nice. Pr is unchanged for now.
mrdkjcool: Yes I think PR is of some importance. Personally I feel that it is what the PR represents that is important not so much the toolbar PR rating. Toolbar PR give you an idea of how many inbound links a page has and how many inbound links the pages have that gave that page a link. Are inbound link important? - very much so. As far as real PR counting toward the ranking algo we have all heard for quite a while now that that has been devalued by Google more and more and it may be to the point where it doesn't count for very much any more. Here are a number of things that high PR does give you. 1. Deeper and more often crawls by the Googlebot. 2. Higher ranking for the keywords you are targeting - as in PR weigth in the ranking algo. 3. Higher ranking for keywords you are targeting - as in inbound link weight in the ranking algo. 4. A higher return on your reciprocal link campaigns. Try doing a reciprocal links campaign offering PR0 pages. 5. The ability to trade home page links for other high PR home page links that will bring you traffic. 6. Coupled with high traffic it makes your site more attractive for selling text link ads (I am not talking about selling for PR boost but selling for traffic). 7. Bragging rights - "my site is a PR8". 8. Changes how you feel about PR. Take a look at the sites of the people that run down PR and say it is useless and dead. In most cases they will have very low PR on there sites or they may not even have a site at all. As far as ranking changing right after a toolbar PR update I think you will see the greatest movement after a BL update. I hold that a real PR update is done most times when a BL update has been done. It is the real PR that counts in the ranking algo not toolbar.
This is very true. But a PR 5 will be enough for < 100.000 pages. This is for every one of you, so that you will not think you need a PR7 for your site to be seen PR is a direct result of the number of inbound links. Only that PR updates are made quarterly. You could see PR7 site, that in afew days could have PR5 (because in the last three months, he lost IBL's). So measuring IBL's only, is (in my opinion more accuratly). There is one drawback. IBL's can be more important, or less important. So you should always couple a IBl check , with a PR check. No i agree Very very true. Actually this would comply to the previous (4) point. Yeah. For selling text ads, PR and number of inbound links counts very much. If you have a hi PR in you index, more and more PR is transfferd into the other sections of your website, so you get many many pages with higher PR. So people do that ? This is so not true. I have low , and high PR sites. None over 6 indeed. But i did not market them so much. I noticed that PR is so not important anymore. WEbsites that are NOT in the sandbox, and neither in the "high position" , pre-sandbox perioad, with PR0, PR1 or PR2, are beating pr 6 sites. I can ealborate more ... but this is the main subject.
eduardomaio: Yes this is true. I didn't put it in there as I am a bit concerned about linking out to people you have no control of. expertu: 2. The point was that PR counts in the ranking algo. IBLs are the same also. You could have 5,000 IBLs one day and only 500 the next day. It would be at least a month or more before the change showed up. That being the case IBL are not devalued by the fact that they can drop and you can't show it with the link(domain) command. 8. I did qualify that with a "most cases". I have noticed that alot of people that decry PR don't have high PR on there site. Of coruse that is not the case always. I have 5 PR0 sites and I am not running down PR : ) To say that PR is not important any more because low PR sites beat out high PR sites that are in the sandbox is like saying IBL are not important any more because low IBL sites beat out high IBL sites that are in the sandbox. What makes PR not so important anymore for ranking is that Google has devalued in a big way the weight that PR has in the ranking algo. At least that is the common belief.
This is indeed very true. I know that 2 years ago.. This was very different. Anyway... Moving on ... I'd love to see the new update .. I'm losing my patience
I think that most people would agree by now that Page Rank is not the goal we all seek. What we all seek are good quality inbound links. Now, having good quality inbound links will increase PR so in that sense, Page Rank is a nice thing. But, as many have said, just getting PR using artificial methods does not do much. So, I suspect (yeah, we all have our theories) that google maintains its own internal factors that it uses to rate sites. Page Rank can be derived from those internal factors. It is just one snapshot view of them and is not the end all, be all that it may have once been.
I am getting 3 differnet IBL numbers from Google now. The old numbers that were hanging around from last BL update (273) my current 101 and now I am getting a new number from McDar's tool of 169. http://www.mcdar.net/q-check/datatool.asp www*seocompany*ca
I haven't used that tool for very long so I don't know the trend, but does mean that 169 will be your pr at some point in the future? My number for those particular data centers are dismal for all of my sites... ...well, I was going to post my results but it appears they are changing right now -- it is looking not so bad now so I guess my question will soon be answered.