Ok guys... I did a experiment and it shows what BIG G is doing... I made a redirect for my one of my directory.. And the result was: The directory remained PR3 but but but The REDIRECT domain got PR6 and it shows PR7 on some dc's. So does this mean I deserved a PR6 but I was manually set to PR3? Rob(anon) had told me once that similar had happened to him with dump, does this mean there is someone manually playing with our Directory Industries PR???
If anyone, it's Google. But the manual operation seems to be the thing. There is no SEO in that. Similar thing is discussed in other threads too.
There are loads of ways to fake PR and lots of ways to check. http://fakeprs.com/pagerank being one of them. I don't think it's anything more sinister than Google getting everyone to start from scratch, as there's nothing to prove otherwise. I thought nobody was bothered by PR anyway?
Fake PR is... redirecting a domain too google or anything as such. So the redirecting domain gets the PR of the main domain. Here main domain remained with a lower PR but redirect domain got a higher PR. Agreed the redirect domain has a fake PR.. but my point is Big G is manually setting up PR for dirs it seems. Yes many have stopped thinking about PR....I am amazed with the games G is playing. :-|
That sucks. This means that we are not "fighting" with the algorithms, we are "fighting" with G's staff. Dissapointing...
humm, I blogged about this a couple of days ago in response to Aviva's recent posting: Aviva Directory a little premature? See point 9 regarding "No Redirection of Expired Domains". It was actually the owner of Ask-Dir which brought it to my attention and when I checked my domain redirects I had the same thing. Main directory was frozen to PR3 and I had five or six domains all of which have no more than 2 backlinks each and all of them were given a PR5. I think when they apply a manual penalty they freeze the PR of the penalized domain name. But they cannot apply it to recently 301 redirects because they are not issuing this as part of the manual process. Then on the next update as was witnessed a few days ago, the PR of the penalized site hits 0 and the 301 redirects pick up that as part of the usual system of picking up the PR of the redirected domain. So yes, your site would have been a PR6 had it not been penalized. IMO. Yes indeed and whats worse is that their lead staff member in the form of Matt Cutts cannot tell the difference between a reciprocal link being forced during submission. So if that is the standard.... hmmm
Do you think he tried the form to check if the reciprocal is required or not? reciprocal is against their guidelines, period. Otherwise, nice experiment. They might start to apply the penalties to the redirected domains as well.
This is very interesting. I never thought of this. I'd be interested to know the real PR of several penalised directories, like my ZL for example. I'll give it a go
Yes, as humm mentioned, I ran this experiment with two PR updates and the redirected remained 6's while dump went to 4. It's obvious that gaygle is gayming and falsifying stuff, so w/e I just move on and continue. I imho of course, see things pretty similar to what loredan mentioned in this post http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=6787189&postcount=5 Honestly, ask yourself exactly what is google without adsense revenue? What other ventures have they had a success with? This is all a money game based on ass licking(people like rand) and not about search results. For gaygle, it must really suck when your stock hits an all time high at 747.24 and then drops to 471.18. Of course they are going to come to the very people who made them what they are(webmasters, norm users etc) and try to extort and force us to use adwords(by way of penalty because we've promoted our projects), so they can suck our money up with false clicks. Well, I for one am not having it. R. edit: dump retained the PR6 throughout both updates. it was just a simple experiment to see the 'what ifs' of it all.
It has nothing to do with whether or not reciprocal is against the guidelines and more to do with the fact that Matt presumed that Aviva was A) Charging for inclusion. B) Forcing the recip option. A couple of minutes reading the guidelines would have clarified it.
It wont be long before someone else comes up with a way to rank web sites and starts their own search engine. Give it a couple of years and there will be another giant started out of some college basement or some crap like that.
Interesting stuff there. I wonder that's how it happened. How about other sites, non directories? It's easy for the Google staffs to check on directories, but harder to deal with other sites. If they are taking other sites too then, they would have to manually process in the same way? That means they would have to take time and pay for the workers to do the job. I don't think robot can really handle it at least not now.
It's easy to pay for staff... Gaygle just claims falsified clicks on a couple million clicks on their advertisers and POOF! money for staff! goooo gaygle!
I couldn't agree more. As you all know history has some great examples of "rise and fall" situations. Can't cheat the time at all. Who thought the egyptians will fall at that time, what about the roman empire? This is life's cycle folks, no one can control it and it's not about gold and money. Remember 10-15 years ago? Who was Microsoft and what's left from those times? Who ever thought there will be someone better than Yahoo? I'm sure there is just a matter of time...not trying to be prophetic but if you read that post on Matt Cutts blog I said at that time that was the begining of the end for Google and I still believe it.
They're definitely doing it to other sites. Link sellers got hit awhile back. Remember the hoopla? Funny thing is, I have a site that got hit for PR that did not sell links...lol.
yea but are you seriously gonna wait around until that happens? I think the only thing to do is to try and work from within the boundaries google is setting out
I never thought it could be checked in this way. Most of my excess domains I have parked because of all the google junk. I just checked through them to see if there was any redirects at all to AD and found one I had pointed there. Huge difference in pr with a redirected url that has next to no links outranking my main site.
We will go nowhere if we blame all what is happening on google. Manual or algorithmic they are enforcing their guidelines. Most of the links we bought were meant to game the system, not long ago many were bragging about the PR7, PR8 they bought. we should learn from this to improve our sites instead of waiting for another search engine. Try always to look at this from the regular google user's perspective, which most of us are.
Absolutely Sunny, It's quite clear now that the PRs of penalized directories have been frozen manually. But who cares about pr? We have started our directories for viewers only and we will continue to do that. That's all. Cheers.