I would not bump this thread if I was you guys, you will only make it worse for believers in the bible. God riding cherubs is not what anyone is supposed to know.
Don't forget about the he places after every post . He's just to 2 bit would be propagandist that couldn't even fool a kid into buying candy . The name and smiley are just pathetic attempts of physiological manipulation . You forgot to write you name darling
So Ahmed Deddat is your proof that the Bible is not from God? What solid evidence do you have? And what do you know about Jesus? What do you even know about your God in Islam?
God riding a cherub is blasphemy, which ever way you translate "cherub", a female child or mature angle, either way how can God ride something that is so small, is he not God? I have shown you before why the bible is not from God, but let's summarise it here: a) Bible was not here at the time of Jesus b) Bible has been going through editing by men inspired by lucifer, I have even heard a new King James (2011) will be printed soon. c) There are now several different bible's each sect is claims to know which is the correct bible. What I know about Jesus is that he is a Prophet of Allaah The Most High, this is informed to us in the Qur'aan & supported by the bible itself. What do I know about God in Islaam? This is what I know: "Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) " [Qur'aan 112] --
Explain this to me in details. Show me verses and I will be able to answer. In Christianity, the cherub's are special form of angels. They are characterized by their multiple wings and eyes. Their main purpose is prayer to God. I have shown you before why the bible is not from God, but let's summarise it here: The old and new testament cover a period of almost 2000 years and still have been preserved until today. Does that make it untrue? You call the holy spirit sent by God a lucifer? Then what do you call a man (muhammed) who claims to be a prophet being bewitched and under the influence of satan? Isn't Allah supposed to protect him? c) Bible is the same worldwide. It is translated in numerous languages but the information is the same. The wording of the different versions mean the same thing. No, you don't get to decide when to support the bible. Its either you believe in the bible as a whole or you don't at all. The bible never mentioned all prophets and the old testament had clear prophecies of Jesus. Muhammed was never mentioned, although, Jesus warned us of upcoming false prophets (if that is what you mean). What do I know about God in Islaam? This is what I know: "Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) " [Qur'aan 112] Is that it? This doesn't tell me much about your God.
In The Name of Allaah The Most Beneficent The Most Mericiful To proceed: The truth is that your God rides cherubs, it's upon you to shows us otherwise, refer to 1 Samuel's 22:11 : King James Bible "And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind." What kind of God rides cherubs? You did not refute what I told you, which is that the bible was not there at the time of Jesus, I don't care how many thousands of years you have your current bible. There is no such thing as holy spirit. I know some christians make the claim that they have the "holy spirit" and therefore can understand the bible (which really cannot be understood because of it's vagueness and ambiguity). You are lying, the bible is not the same everywhere, there are many bibles which have verses omitted, chapters omitted, different same language translations, entire books omitted, you need to stop lying to people, everyone knows there are numerous different bible's. The whole bible as a whole? there is no 1 bible sir, there are several! I can cherry pick what I believe in since there is no consensus on what the bible actually is. Muhammed (peace be upon him) was mentioned, but early writers have omitted the verses that prophesies him (peace be upon him), nevertheless there are still verses in the bible, which you would probably twist and give your own meaning to. I think I may get infractions for copying and pasting large amount of information here, I won't also be writing huge articles just for you. It's sufficient at this stage for you to know that our God does not sleep, drink, eat, defecate, experience pain, nailed on a cross, cry, complain etc as your God has indeed done. ---
Read Ezekiel in details and you'll know the exact description of a cherub. Part of the Cherub's characteristic is the lion which could what Samuel was referring to by "riding". For instance, imagine a horse riding carriage. The passage refers to the prophecies of Samuel. Almost the same prophecy was described by David and Daniel: “In my distress I called upon the LORD; to my God I cried for help. From his temple he heard my voice, and my cry to him reached his ears. Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations also of the mountains trembled and quaked, because he was angry. Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him. He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. He rode on a cherub, and flew; he came swiftly upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his covering around him, his canopy thick clouds dark with water. Out of the brightness before him there broke through his clouds hailstones and coals of fire. The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Most High uttered his voice, hailstones and coals of fire.†Psalm 18:6-13 And "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a Son of Man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve/worship him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.†Daniel 7:9-10, 13-14 The prophecies refer to the upcoming glory of Jesus (son of God) in his second coming as described by the prophecies. This was also confirmed in the new testament by Jesus Christ himself. Jesus is not a prophet so his mission was not to command people to write a set of books. This was the disciples' duty following the resurrection of Jesus. The son of God came for the salvation and to teach people the righteous way of living - that is why we call it the new testament. The fact it was not written at the time of Jesus is irrelevant. . Of course there is. You can go to the annual celebration in Jerusalem and see it for yourself - not that you need to. The holy spirit was promised to us by God in the new testament. It is the same holy spirit that Guided Moses and the people of Israel. The holy spirit is what enlightens and strengthens Christians in this dark world. Ok. I need to see the versions you're telling me about - until you do that, you're the manipulated liar. Yes, I am sure he was mentioned but we cherry picked him out of all prophets. wow..what solid evidence you got there. What sheikh told you this? I realize you're not a parrot so I'm not interested in copy/pasting. I want to know your personal view of your God.
I find it interesting we have people here claiming the bible to be the work of man himself. Yet ironically they claim their religious texture is the work of God, even though all these religious textures come from the same God according to one religion I may add. The theory I've concluded is that all these religious texture are mainly the work of man and they all uniquely different and for good reason, if you took the time out to study the major religions that Islam claim are from the same God you’ll start to notice they've been constructed with multiple personalities. Now God (if it existed) wouldn't have multiple personalities, I mean logically why would it if it’s just one entity creating all these religions. So you can see how it's interesting how people have picked up on this and claim the conflicting religious book was edited, they claim the texture has been edited by humans. But yet can't prove (without quoting the religious book in question) that their book is the work of God. Now going back to God having multiple personalities, and presenting himself differently and claiming different things which conflict with other books from the same God. I now start to think what else has multiple personalities. Well without blowing a brain cell, it's going to be multiple people. How can you know that multiple people have written the religious textures we follow today, well you can’t. But it doesn’t disprove it as a valid argument. One thing that has been proven is humans are great liars, con-artists. You see it everywhere in society today and it’s nothing new man has always been devising each other for whatever reason, normally personal gain. Also ask yourself why God sounds so human… if Jesus, Muhammad or Moses was simply translating the word of God into a book, why is it filled with human emotions and feelings and opinions. Does God get happy and sad, I mean this thing we call God seems to process a lot of human psychology wouldn’t you say? Makes you question is God just a human that lived on earth with radical ideas?
Sounds exactily like the type of psychologically imbalanced person to create a religion. Of course once you've convinced yourself (the hardest part) it'll be very easy to convince others of which they'll be more than happy to help you create textures that can be passed along. I'm guessing the people who invented the religions were people who claimed to see and hear things, had a 6th sense type of thing. Of course it'd all sound very convincing. I mean man evolved around complexity (our planet and everything in it) and they had very little in the way of explaining it their ability to understand was limited by the resources available to them. It's our instinct to seek answers to things which we do not understand, if we can't find them. We invent them, or for a period of time we did anyway.
In The Name of Allaah The Most Beneficent The Most Mericiful To proceed: Your God rode a cherub nomatter how you sugar coat it, it's blasphemous!, but that does not bother Christians does it? To you it's irrelevant, if you ask me however I find it quite embarrassing to not have the original teaching of Jesus. Let's make matters worse for you, Jesus said he was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, are you the lost sheep of Israel? I doubt it. "Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. " This verse indicates he was a Prophet and not God, how can a man who never claims to be God, be God? it's just absurd. . You mean satan? It's him who makes you belief into a book of which there is no original, it's him who makes you worship a man who never claimed to be God, it's him who makes you blaspheme against God, it's him who has blinded you! We question your stupidity, and we get told you have this magical holy spirit inside you and without it we cannot understand. An example: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." John 1 5:7 There are some Christians that will tell you that "the father" "the word" and "the holy spirit" are not in the greek manuscripts. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" But ofcourse "the comforter" is not Muhammed (peace be upon him) who's message is for all mankind and is until the day of judgment (for ever) but it's the invisible "holy ghost"! Muhammed (peace be upon him) is the Comforter who is the final Messenger of God and his message lasts until the day of judgment. We can talk about God for a very long time, but as you know this thread is about the bible. PS: Amateurs stay out of this.
No, You don't even know what a Cherub is. The prophecies of the prophets such as Daneil, David and Ezekiel referred to upcoming events such as the second coming of Jesus. They saw the events in a visual form but they referred to upcoming events. What an embarrassing argument you got there. Let me ask you this? Do you know Who are the people of Israel? Did you read the old testament? God did not only come for the people of Israel but for all nations. The gospel was preched to the people of Israel followed by the rest of the nations. Satan? They accused Jesus of the same thing. But would a Satanic power cause good in the world? Would a satanic power cause beneficial miracles? Would a satanic power burn evil spirits? I think you're the one who is missing the facts. The bible was originally written in Hebrew. Did you confirm those were not included? Unless, you got something that matters with evidence, your argument has zero validity. Of course it is not. You're getting to a point where you are beyond desperate to include him or look for some sort of a miraculous event that indicates Muhammed was a prophet. The holy comforter is the holy spirit and was confirmed many time in the new testament. On a side note, Muhammed is dead so I am sure he is not comforting you at the moment. Read the whole verse correctly - "If you love me you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you." John 14:15-17 "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." John 14:25
In the Name of Allaah The Most Beneficent The Most Merciful To Proceed: The verse said "cherub", I know you are desperately trying to fight your way out, but a cherub is a cherub, I'm not really interested in your interpretations. Just accept that your God needs to ride Cherubs from place to place. King James Bible But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mathew 15:24 Are you blind sir? It clearly says that he was sent to only and only the lost sheep of the house of Israel, stop trying to following something that was never for you. Somethings are worse than other things, e.g. killing someone is worse than slapping someone in the face. The worse ever thing that man can do is to worship other than God, this why God never forgives such a sin, and such an individual is doomed to hell forever, and guess what? Christians are one of those people. So, yes Satan is encouraging you to commit the worst crime man can do, even though he might discourage you from those sins which are less. What so difficult about agreeing that e.g. john 1 5:7 is not in some of the manuscripts? some Christians would disagree with you. Some Christians don't have the same bible as you have, they have different books, verses are omitted, chapters are omitted, but of course you think your bible is the correct one and all else is a fabrication, I see how that works. When I talk to other Christians they will tell me that you are the one who possesses the false bible. Desperate? I don't need bible prophecies to prove Muhammed (peace be upon him), I have numerous passages, you thought that was the only one? But I know you Christians love to twist things and give them your own meanings, that's why I never like to debate a corrupt book, who's followers just enjoy interpreting everything in their own way, and all other views are invalid. e.g. ,in the Gospel of Barnabas, Muhammed (peace be upon him) is mentioned by name, but ofcourse Christians consider the gospel of Barnabas to be a complete fabrication, this is why I find it useless to discuss any passage where Muhammed (peace be upon him) is mentioned, because you Christians love to twist everything, so it's really pointless discussion this. --
You're missing the point here. You're looking at it as if God is needing a method of transportation rather than finding the meaning of the prophecies. Oh Dear. Do me a favor, go ahead and embarrass yourself by pasting the whole passage from that verse which includes the conversation between Jesus and the Canaan woman. Then, you'll understand what was going on. Did you also miss this verse? Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19 To follow the prophecies of the old testament but that was not his only goal. Again, who are the people of Israel? Absolute non-sense. What did you just say? You did not answer my questions but instead gave me another conclusion. You go pray around a rock and kiss a black stone. Which is closer to satanic teachings you think? Which other manuscript did not include john 5:7? I will make sure I send them the bible I have. Our Christian faith is not building a personal relationship with a book but with the word of God that lives within us. I would like to meet those Christians. Trust me, I heard it all before. Just like I showed you in the previous post, I proved to you how wrong you are. There is no need to find another verse or look between the lines. The verse was very clear, it is impossible to interpret it in a different way. Good luck,
I told you already, I'm not interested in your explanation, I don't want hear any ifs or buts, this issue is finished, your God rode a cherub. It's for you to prove me wrong, so you post the context and let me know why I'm wrong. In the mean time, Jesus in Matthew 28:19 contradicts himself: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations" vs "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) This is the word of God? Go ahead and prove me wrong. We don't worship the rock, it's just the direction of prayer, similarly kissing a rock does not amount to worship. If you look at the Masjid Al-Haraam, you will see some people are standing way above the Ka'aba (which Abraham built), will you accuse them of worshiping thin air now? ofcourse not. As for which is closer to satanic teaching, then you will not admit it, but it's Christianity since it's a pagan religion, that teaches to worship a man. Not sure if it's the entire verse, or parts of it, but this is what Dr. Daniel B. Wallace had to say about it: "Apparently the gloss arose when the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood), an interpretation that may have been written first as a marginal note that afterwards found its way into the text." (The Comma Johanneum and Cyprian). You can dispute this, but other Christians will disagree with you, or do you ex-communicate those Christians? If you are a protestant then have a look at the catholic bible, if you are catholic, then have a look at the protestant bible. You do realize that the prophecy about "the comforter" appears in other verses right? could you refute them all in the same way? I doubt it.