Man Google works fast / Blackhat SEO

Are Palmtree and Nike one in the same? Seems like they both have few posts and post about Gambling...hmmmm fishy to me....If they are the same they waited 3 minutes between to post...hah
Wheter your blackhat or straight lace, do what you do. If google or any site doesnt like it they will figure it out...

 

Maybe for the losers amongst us, but all SEO among genuine sites is perfectly within Google's guidelines, and that is the stuff they rank the best.

The reason your "most of us" fail is because you don't understand that important point.

More importantly, this is about the biggest money niche on the Internet. Spammers get nowhere because their tactics are inept, and because there are millions of eyes on the results everyday. Pure spam can't last when there is so much money at stake.

 

Or maybe you are just not meant to be a detective. LOL

 

So which SEO specifically works best in Google and doesn't violate the Webmaster Guidelines?

Mate, there are BHers who are at the top of the SERPs in every niche, particularly the big money ones. But that's my point. BH isn't CSS stuffed text. Heck, most BH SEO is OFFPAGE, so how would anyone detect it by looking at the SERP results?

 

Mate, no there aren't, not in the poker niche. You shouldn't talk about stuff you obviously have no idea about.

"So which SEO specifically works best in Google and doesn't violate the Webmaster Guidelines?"

Getting authority linking within the niche and general news sites.

 

Oh yes there are. Just out the backlinks on the top ten results and get back to me. Remember, most BH is offpage. Someone with limited experience (such as yourself) probably wouldn't even know where to look.

And how do you get those links? I'd be really interested to know how you get backlinks with anchor text from authority sites.

 

That is why you are better off staying the white/grey area. I agree if you go black-hat you have to be willing to pay the price. Invisible text is one of the oldest and blackest tricks.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

 

You are talking nonsense. Really, don't broadcast your inexperience like that. Every one of the sites in the top 20 I'm seeing now is a multimillion dollar business, some are billion dollar businesses. Sure, some have some stray crap links, but they do nothing to help the domains, and aren't part of their SEO strategy.

Are you really this inexperienced? The world poker tour has a TV show in dozens of countries, and gets thousands of media mentions due to it. You've never heard of ESPN? You think ESPN is out spamming blogs? LOL, really. Party Poker and Pokerstars have thousands of news stories written about them, and even have had direct links from partners like the Sun.

Time for you to fold dude. The top sites are major white hat businesses and television networks.

 

So you checked out the backlinks for the top 10?

What did you turn up? Got some stats?

partypoker.com/
Backlinks: 1,525,390 - Alexa Rank: 532

bodog.com/poker/
Backlinks: 658,724 - Alexa Rank: 8,906

There is not a Google result above them that has more than 175,000 links. We're talking about authority sites like Wikipedia, About.com and poker.com. Poker.com only has 16,087 backlinks and ranks #1.

Now your job, is to go through the 1.5 million party poker links and find out how many originate from .edu spam farms and then get back to me. Ok?

You aren't answering my question. How does a WH webmaster, such as you or I ( ) achieve links with relevant anchor text from high trust rank sites, without violating the Google Webmaster Guidelines or spamming?

Getting vicious and being condescending isn't going to disprove what I do or do not know. Let's stick to facts and measurable information.

 

What is white hat today is going to be black hat tommorrow-Count on it. Narcing on someone and boasting about it is asking for trouble. Keep it to yourself.

 

Please don't resort to being vicious. This isn't Iraq. This a forum thread, which you seem to have gotten yourself tangled in without an idea of the reality of the situation.

Um yeah, that's why I know what I'm talking about in this area. Once you've checked the linking of these sites at least thirty times a year for several years, then you'll have a better idea about the topic.

Again, just because you have no idea what you are talking about, that doesn't mean others don't. The sites the .edu spammers linked to, mostly mansion.com, are not in the top results, and it should be clear now that .edu spam links hurt more than they help. And that isn't the issue anyway. The issue is how many links come from the genuine authority poker sites (which get 301ed to the root URL) as well as major news outlets and genuine blog links (someone just mentioning Party Poker in his/her general interest blog).

I've answered your questions clearly. If you have any more you can ask, but I'd suggest you pose questions rather than make assumptions on topics you are not familar with.

As for answering the question, what aren't you getting? A webmaster like you or I gets links with relevant anchor text by creating content trusted sites choose to link to. As anyone can see, those sites ranking highly for this search have good content that attracts authority links (with the Wikipedia being an exception since its content is simple article). You or I just have to create a better poker site than pokerstars or partypoker, a better TV show than the worldpokertour or ESPN world series. If your argument is "that is hard", well, yeah. But you can't do it with black hat techniques, period. this isn't some chickenshit search term. It's the popular term there is, and probably the most profitable. the sites at the top are there because the vast majority of the SEO they do is white hat. Because it is such a profitable area, black hats target it, but they have not had meaningful success for quite some time.

 

Have you ever spammed? Practice some blackhole SEO? Built cloaked/doorway pages? Setup a link laundering network? If you haven't, it's hard to get that you would be some sort of expert on what is BH and what is not, what BH can accomplish.

Since you didn't provide any statistics, articles or links, I will share what I found in 5 minutes.

http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/MutatingRefererSpammers
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1629322&postcount=1

Here is a great example of newslist spam
https://listserv.csufresno.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0702&L=wn&D=0&P=6638&F=P

More .edu spam
http://pactlab.spcomm.uiuc.edu/class/05FA/496CSblogs/2/

Poker-Seo.com
http://www.poker-seo.com/online/partypoker/

Again, you're being condescending about my knowledge about SEO. Not that I am worried, because I can get a WH site to rank well in a medium niche without spending a dime.

But you specifically mentioned getting links, and my question was, without paying for those links, how do you get them? How do you get linkbacks (without nofollow's no less) from authority sites? All within the Google Webmaster Guidelines?

Viagra is also a one of the most contested terms on the net. BHers and Spammers own that niche save for a couple authority sites. Ringtones are another niche. I understand you are familiar with poker, but don't assume that it is some uber WH niche that doesn't have people ratting out competitors, and that the BHers cannot influence the SERPs, because indeed they can, and if you read the case study link I posted above, Partypoker.com has paid the price before with it's fast and loose internet promotion techniques.

There is a big world of SEO going on out there, and it's not as honest, defined or structured as some might like to believe. That is why Google tweaks it's algorithm. Not necessarily because they are constantly trying to be more semantic, but because the ship has leaky holes that get discovered every day, and where there is money, there are a lot of people trying to squeeze through those holes and make them bigger.

 

I beg to differ, i think spam is going to stay....yes they took down one of the big spammers Robert Soloway but only for a short time...They say that they want him to forfeit the $773,000 he made from spamming....I bet he made a bunch more that they dont know about...never keep all your eggs in one basket....So spammers seem to get somewhere...haha
And yes I am no detective....but I am pretty smart

 

When G* offers functions for reporting "spammers" and "link selling sites" they opened pandora's box.

Sooner or later everybody will report each site which is optimized for the same keywords. And some people in India decide which site is banned (probably making some people loose their jobs) and which is top ranked.

I know of some keywords for Geman Google where a lot of sites are dropped from the SERPs for no good reason.

Same happened to one of my sites although I did not perform any SEO for it at all (no paid links, no SEO at all, content site).

 

It may or will be penalized for a time is all...
then it will return once the webmaster fixes his errors
as "hidden text" is old school tricks and with new algos
im sure its very easy to spot..

thx
malcolm

 

You continue to miss the obvious point. Black hat does NOT work very well in the poker niche. the proff is in the results, period. The best blackhatters in the world have tried and failed (with some short term success, like the edu spammer). You act like black hatters haven't tried, or somehow don't know the niche is profitable. they do, but they can't make the tens of millions the genuine sites do from search.

Thanks for proving my point. In the Party Poker case, Google CRUSHED them. Google applied the most costly penalty to any site ever.

Also, you are misunderstanding one basic thing: Affiliates spamming is not the same as the genuine site spamming. These affiliate spammers do poorly, as almost all black hat does in this niche.

You are the one that was being condescending, and very rude to the original poster. Instead of continuing on that line, apologize and more on. This in general is an interesting issue... how black hat fails totally in this niche, while it does well in others.

Seriously, scroll up. I answered this twice now.

I didn't assume anything like that, so don't make silly statements to try and move the focus off how you were mistaken. I have ONLY talked about the poker sector. And it's an interesting thing to note the difference between Viagra and poker. In poker, there are several dozen pure, solid, good quality poker authority sites (like ESPN). In the Viagra sector, there are far fewer authority domains dedicated to the topic. There is no worldviagratour.com site for example. This is a reason black hatters can't penetrate the pokers ector, but can far more easily with Viagra.

Well that's obvious of course, but the point in this thread is that Google has relatively spam free poker results, and that black hat do not succeed in this sector now, and that reporting spam is one reason the results are pretty clean.

 

Look, there is money in poker. Where there is money, there are blackhats.

Believe what you like. If you're feeling inquisitive, check out some blackhat forums and see who is talking about what niche. You might come away with a new perspective on SEO and how much competition (sub rosa) there is.

 

Look, where there is money there are white hat businesses. Billion dollar companies beat blackhatters every time, and the proof is in the results. Ignore them if you want, but reality is reality.

 

The OP was entirely right & within his rights to report the bad site, after all if the spam tool isn't there for spam, what is it there for?

OP, ignore all these childish kids who are just waiting for mom to heat the pop-tarts.

However, I don't think you made good use of your time by coming on here and telling us all about it, what did you gain from it?

 

True. Should have thought that over one more time. I was just so amazed that google worked so fast. This thread could be deleted, it didn't accomplish anything.