http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1636024.ece Cmon guys, this one has got make some of you a little happy. After millions and millions of babies get aborted without any input from the fathers we finally get to see a man tell a woman she cannot have his baby. I for one like to see a man get a little "reproductive power". Women: flame away men: please don't dont cower and wimper about how much you respect a womans right to choose to abort your babies without your input. I am also not anti-abortion just like to see a little equality.
The thing is he initally gave consent for this when they were created, but then changed his mind. So she thought she had an insurance policy, but then he yanked it away. Not very nice.
it is his right to say no, and maybe this case will make other women think long term and store eggs that can be used if he backs out of their agreement at a later date. she still has options, though not for a genetic child. she can still use mothers or sisters eggs, for IVF though not 100% her own genes, most of them are
And? Millions of women "give consent"/"say they want a baby" and then yank it away by having an abortion. Does a man have no right to change his mind or this soley a womans domain? I wouldn't take away a womans legal ability to abort but I would say the cards are stacked against men in the reproductive world. A man can work and slave away gaining a womans affections, building a home, giving of himself in the hopes he may someday have a child/children but only to have it yanked out from under him on a whim. Thats fair and it has never happened to me but I symapthize with men who do want to have children. BTW I wonder if any men have sued and won a woman in a similar case. I doubt it in the US because of Roe V. Wade. I actually have a female aquaintance who had an abortion last week and its really none of my business. She was in a bad position and she is on drugs and her boyfriend jsut went to jail. I wished it didnt happen....but it did.
an abortion is not the same as this case. and men have not rights on an abortion issue, and have no say in it either. and thats how it will always be.
I just saw this as kind of mean spirited. Consider - the woman didn't save any eggs but did save embryos expecting to save something of her ability to have a child, and effectively the man has ruined every single chance she has of having a child. If she had eggs saved too the issue would be different, but this was her ONLY option for having her own child. She survived a cancer that forced the entire removal of her ovaries and eggs... Plus they're destroying an embryo, a viable life form. Life extinguished before it could begin AND was wanted. So in essence a WANTED viable life form was DENIED. Now on the guy's side take a look at it like this - his genetic code would be in the child, fine, but he doesn't have any obligation to raise it or to see it - but he denies it anyways. The human aspect is tragic.
Eh? Stupid is as stupid does, that's what my momma used to say. (exactly what were you referring to swapnil90?)
yo dumbass, he didn't WANTED it, what part of that can't you understand? DENIED?? what viable life form? it is in a glass tube, how is it viable? Viable is when a pregnancy has reached 24 weeks dumbass. "fine, but he doesn't have any obligation to raise it or to see it" but he will be responsible as the law in the uk means any man that has a genetic child, and or an adopted non-genetic child, he has joint parental rights and responsibilities, which means he has to help support until they are 18. also are you saying men have no emotional attachment to their children? so it is ok to allow her to have his child, he can just block out any emotions he has about knowing there is a child of his walking this earth?
Why is it you INSIST on personally attacking me? This is the THIRD time you have resorted to name-calling. Clearly you cannot conduct a respectful discussion without acting childish. I will not partake in your attempts to harass me by harassing back. My POINT was - which you clearly missed - this is her ONLY CHANCE FOR HAVING A CHILD. If you don't get that, it isn't my problem. I don't give the male any creedence because he didn't lose his balls to cancer - he can still have children while she Can No Longer Haver ANY Chance of having a child.
I find it interesting that this aspect was not mentioned in the article. Most reasonable people would have offered the fellow a financial settlement. Clearly, there is more to this case than is described in the article.
did you read my post? she can have the eggs from her mother or sister implanted in her, so she can have children, and can give birth. the issue in this case id his right to accept or refuse 18 years of financial responsability and his right to refuse any emotional damage that a child might cause him in the future. he has rights, she has options,
Eggs from her mother or sister - not her. These were embryos, half of her genetic material is in them, part of her. Not part of her sister or her mother, part of her. Sure she can have a surrogate child - but she can never have one of her own. These Embryos that will be destroyed had her DNA in them, and now she can never pass on her DNA. She will have no progeny, she will have no one directly related to her no matter what she does to have a child now.
Will if i remember this case correctly when it 1st came out 4-5 years ago, she needed treatment fast to survive the cancer. and they had a rocky relationship, but to try and work things out he said he would be willing to go for the IVF to make sure they can have children. once the eggs were secure, she dumped him because she thought she has his consent and the eggs. but when she went to get the IVF implantation, the hospital needed his permission and she had dumped him and called him all kinds of shit, and he said no. she thought she was safe, and she called him everything under the sun, and it all back fired when the hospital asked for his permission, thats what i vaguely remember of it 5 years ago. so in my eye's she shot herself in the foot. and women today are much more wiser, and IVF centers now keep eggs that can be used if permission is withdrawn from the would be father. here in the uk, if you adopt a child you adopt it for life and all financial responsibility too.
you are an idiot, what do you think her DNA is? it's part of what her mother gave, and her sister holds, so she would have a genetic link to the child, and she has the ability to become pregnant with such eggs, so giving birth to a genetic child. that is linked to her and her family gene pool
It is her mother's genetics. Do you know what Meiosis even is or how it works? Do you know how cells reproduce and how genetic combinations occur? Do you even know how different the genetic material given from the mother and father would be? It's not all the same, each time a cell divides and is ready to recombine through germination in meiosis the genes are in a different pattern, different chromosomes are paired up with different things. Her mother only gave her HALF of her genetic code, and her sister's DNA would be a completely different make up due to the random nature of germination! Also, how DARE you make the claim of me being an idiot, this obnoxious behavior of yours must have no limits! I cannot believe such an insolence is tolerated here - and that you consider yourself anything while you constantly and generously attack me with venomous statements that are unfounded and cannot be proven under any circumstances - this is outrageous!
complain about it to the mods, you dont like me, i dont like you, deal with it when you get your head outta ya ass, and get ya butt back on plannet earth like the rest of us. then you'll be treated better. oh i forgot to ask, how many infractions have you got again? better go look huh.
I have no infractions because I break no rules! I intend to conduct myself in an adult manner and in absolute accordance with the regulations of this forum.
sure you do, look stupid, your 2nd post on this forum was ripping into me, and now i rip into you n00b, you dont like it. well it works both ways, as you'll soon learn.