Mall Shooter Muslim?

I really don't know. Anymore than the host of other sick, hate-filled people who would do such a thing. Here, a quick search yielded this special one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer

[QUOTE="I Hate Mondays" Killer]Brenda Ann Spencer (born April 3, 1962 in San Diego, California, United States) wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults in a shooting spree at Grover Cleveland Elementary School in the San Carlos section of San Diego, California, on Monday, January 29, 1979.

The school was across the street from her house. She used the rifle she had recently been given for Christmas from her father. When the six-hour incident ended and the sixteen-year-old was asked why she had committed the crime, she shrugged and replied, "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." She also said: "I had no reason for it, and it was just a lot of fun," "It was just like shooting ducks in a pond," and "(The children) looked like a herd of cows standing around, it was really easy pickings."[/QUOTE]

So...ascribing the Utah shooter's rampage to some sort of Islamic-freakout makes as much sense to me as, for instance, ascribing Spencer's rampage to her family's religious, political or (you name it) background.

 

Sorry, I posted before you edited your post.

I don't see anyone making excuses for him - the guy needed to be put down; about as "no excuses" as it gets. But I'm sorry, Kalvin, ascribing his motive to "Islamic freakout" is ridiculous, in my opinion. He was apparently a classic "loner type, no friends, etc." As the news develops, I would not be surprised to see how much this kid was like the others who simply went off.

I'm more freaked by the frequency of these occurrences. Why are our kids losing their shit? Why do we seem to be exceptionalist in this tragic trend?

 

I really figured it would be another young angry white male with low IQ whose parents didn't give them enough attention. God knows there have been enough of them over the years.

This is the fourth event of muslim rage I recall in the past year. There was the guy than went into a Jewish Federation in Washington last year to kill Jews. The guy that drove into a crowd in California to kill some infidels. The guy in North Carolina that drove into a crowded campus to kill infidels. The guy in Arizona that drove into a home depot to kill infidels (had a palestinian flag in the trunk of his car too).

Are these initial trends of what lies ahead? We don't need Israel to remind us what happens when it gets out of control.

 

"Cat against a wall." Maybe it wasn't directed at him in particular but it's excuses excuses excuses. Why can't Muslims just say "it was wrong and he needs to find a better way to deal with his problems?" And then apply that same sentiment to the current suicide happy Muslims in the Middle East rather than calling them "cats against the wall."


All we get is "that's against Islam BUT excuses excuses excuses"

Apparently "I Hate Mondays" was a soul-less low IQ teenager who's parents didn't give her enough attention.

 

Oh, sorry - I apologize. I should have said I wasn't giving excuses. I was with Zangief until he made that comment, and I am in full agreement with you there - utter bs.

It's just wrong - it's not "wrong for a muslim to do it." I'm merely saying that in this instance, I don't see any evidence of "Islam rage," just a seriously brain fried punk, like so many others. A tragedy of hate, but I see nothing else.

 

it was wrong and he needs to find a better way to deal with his problems?
is it ok.
%99.9 of the muslims will tell that's wrong and against our religion.But we talk about Islam we come to those "Death to the Infidels" and the main point disappears.
KalvinB in this case I did not make any excuses but I told a murderer is a murderer.

I just wanted to say this is wrong.

"Hitler was a Roman Catholic, baptized into that religio-political institution as an infant in Austria. He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth, and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church."

 

Maybe it was just an angry in general asshole. It would be a good idea however for authorities to consider all possible sources of that anger including the possibility of it being religiously motivated.

If they don't know why he was angry they can't treat him. In this case he's dead so treatment won't help but it would be important should the shooter survive.

It's also important to consider the religion because other people that worshipped where he worshipped may have similar anger problems. It's no secret how much hate is preached in Mosques around the world.

Hitler was an occultist. He may have grown up Catholic but he died worshipping Satan.

 

Where is your source for this?

 

Off topic, and it doesn't matter what the man said (rather, what he did), but apparently he professed catholicism to the end of his life. A good read in this regard is John Toland's seminal Hitler bio.

I also don't think he was into the occult - Hitler, if he used it at all, apparently sought to inculcate some primordial notion of "Germanicness," but was not actually predisposed to the belief(s). Himmler was the true believer, from what I've read.

 

He did what Christian ideology of that time actually encouraged him to do. All Jews were Christ killers and must be punished for their crime. It was not until mid-1960 that pope dissolved the Jews sin for killing the Christ. There were many cases of priests and monks working in concentration camps and participating in killing the Jews.

 

My understanding is that most Bosnians or other Eastern Europeans are very liberal Muslims. They are not very "practising" either. So I doubt if this will have been the actions of someone seeking revenge for the actions of the US government in Iraq or in any other Muslim country.

 

Did we forget anyone there, gworld?

 

Ahmadinejad didn't even exist during the WWII and while his Holocaust denial is against the law in European country, it is legal in USA since USA has not signed the treaty that makes Holocaust denial illegal.

The discussion about history of WWII and the role of religion in Holocaust is a serious discussion that is far behind the mental capabilities of person like you, so let the people who are actually knowledgeable about this subject discuss it.

 

If only you had scrolled down to the end of the article gworld, you wouldn't be the "laughing-stock" right now!

Want a mulligan? I'm reasonable!

sigh...

 

How is that related to this discussion?

As it is shown, some Arabs under Germany occupation worked with them, the same as European did. There were many people specially in Middle East and countries which were part of British empire who hated British and saw Germans as the their saviors but how is this related if Hitler was Christian and the role of Christianity in Holocaust?
Are you going to claim that Hitler and Germans were Muslims and that is the reason they killed Jews?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070214/us_nm/shooting_utah_srebrenica_dc

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Oddly this reminds me of the tape in which some of the 9/11 hijackers said their reasonsing was based off the Bosnia ordeal. Except what's weird is, we saved Muslims in Bosnia. This is another confusing set of events. Why would a person whom survived due to American intervention...kill Americans randomly?

 

For you, it's not, because you'd never say a bad thing about their role. For anyone else, it directly relates to the discussion in every way. Sorry, I have a bad habit of overestimating your intelligence.

Just pointing out how you *conveniently* left them out, as usual. And then defended them with an excuse that it was ok, because they thought Germany would be their savior

 

I am still waiting for you to say something relevant to the discussion about Hitler's religion and Christianity (Catholics and to some extent protestants) attitude toward the Jews in that time and it's role in Holocaust. Do you have anything to say about this subject or is it far behind your mental capacity?

 

So you admit you wanted to take the discussion off topic. I'm still waiting for you to say something relavent to the discussion of the thread, before you attempted to derail it, as usual. But we know that won't happen.

Never a bad word. Eyes are watching you

 

It was actually you and the rest of missing balls chicken brigade who started to post about Jews and Hitler, but I can understand why you don't want to discuss it since many of republicans are also known for their anti-Semite views. It will be interesting to know why all of a sudden neo-cons fall in love with Israel and Jews in the beginning of 1990. Was it because they really changed their views or the money coming in from Israel lobby groups was just too good to pass?