MalaysianJazz

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  1. #1
    I've now added a whole lot more cool pics at MalaysianJazz.com
    Whatcha think of it so far?
     
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  2. strivinglife

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    Much better than the previous iteration, in my opinion.

    However, there's still a couple of tweaks to make, almost primarily in the left side navigation.

    First, you've done a great job on the navigation - it's starting to make sense to someone that doesn't know much about the subject (like a novice). But, you've got spacing issues which keep it from being the best it could be.

    While looking at code, to try to see what's going on here, I was struck by the tables and fonts. While it looks like you're trying to validate as XHTML (good for you), the latter is going to hold you back, and you can create a lot cleaner code by using CSS and divs. If you'd like me to, I'd be more than happy to modify your code and PM it to you so that you can see what I mean. (If I knew if you'd be interested, I'd just do it and paste it here, but ... I don't, so I won't.) Just let me know :)

    Secondly, and minorly, check the space immediately after your logo. I'd cut that space down (but certainly leave some).

    Again, IMO, much nicer.

    ~
     
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  3. eye-2i.com

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    Hi there
    Thanks for your feedback. Is there anyway to do it without CSS? I had a really well-ranked site that I tried to experiment with, shortly after I used CSS, my site dropped many places. I removed CSS and went up again in SEO. So in my opinion CSS sucks so I have reverted to HTML/XHTML.
     
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    :eek: Wow - I've never heard of CSS having an effect upon page ranking or SEO ... so I just had to ask: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=44834

    That said, yes, it can still be cleaned up using what you've got, and no CSS. I'll copy the viewable source and tweak that, and PM you the mod before the end of the day. WinMerge should give you an idea of what I've changed (or, if you let me know, I can comment the source up).

    ~
     
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    First, from two responses, I think your view on CSS is a little too harsh. At the very least, I'd move away from tables and font tags and use divs and spans, even if you don't link use an external, or centralized, CSS (id est, put the styles on each instance of the tags). You'll have a much more non-browser specific look.

    That said, here's some minor cleanup. Viewing the site in Firefox and IE, you'll see two different sites. I've cleaned this in such a way that it doesn't look so different now. I've also added alt (and title) tags to your images - no reason not to.

    I also commented out the link at the top of your navigation for MalaysianJazz.com - I expect this to be another page, not the page I'm on (make your top banner a link to your home page instead - that's pretty well expected these days).

    (Code to follow in another post - it's too long to post in one ;) ).
     
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    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
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    <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <head>
    <title>Malaysian Jazz .com :: Essential Guide to Jazz Music in Malaysia - Powered by EJRS.COM</title>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
    <meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">
    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">
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    function MM_preloadImages() { //v3.0
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    function MM_findObj(n, d) { //v4.01
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      for(i=0;!x&&d.layers&&i<d.layers.length;i++) x=MM_findObj(n,d.layers[i].document);
      if(!x && d.getElementById) x=d.getElementById(n); return x;
    }
    
    function MM_swapImage() { //v3.0
      var i,j=0,x,a=MM_swapImage.arguments; document.MM_sr=new Array; for(i=0;i<(a.length-2);i+=3)
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    <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" onload="MM_preloadImages('buttons/myelectronica02.gif','buttons/myjazz02.gif','buttons/myclassical02.gif','buttons/myrock02.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myjazz01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myclassical01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myrock01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myelectronica01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myblues01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/mytribal01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/mypop01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myrnb01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/mycountry01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/mytraditional01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myhiphop01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/myindie01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/mymusician01.gif','http://malaysianjazz.com/buttons/worldmi01.gif')">
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    <table width="750" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
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    	  <p><img src="images/malaysianjazz.gif" width="750" height="120" alt="Malaysian Jazz .com :: Essential Guide to Jazz Music in Malaysia" title="Malaysian Jazz .com :: Essential Guide to Jazz Music in Malaysia" /></p>
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    use CSS its good for u
     
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    #10
    I went from #1 to #150 out of 5,000,000 listings after adding css on the project I mentioned! Lol. Bad huh?

    Thanks much for working on the code.

    I'm gonna give ya 6 months webhosting free just for helping me with this. PM a domain you want hosting for.
    Thanks man. Very appreciative.
     
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    Wow, that's a dang good deal :)

    However, I've still got lots of free space with my hosts, but I thank you nonetheless.

    The hit you speak of is quite a big one ... and quite an interesting one ...

    ~
     
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    No sweat man, thanks for your help and time.
     
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    As before, no problem.
     
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