Making Money on Your Site

Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by tsptom, Apr 17, 2004.

  1. #1
    I don't know if this is right forum for this or if it has been discussed elsewhere but I'll have at it. I'm guessing a lot of people on this forum have similar situations.

    My site is content based (retirement savings advice for government employees). It has been growing and my readers have relayed to me that they find the info invaluable which has led to the site getting a lot of word of mouth traffic. It's for a concentrated group of people (gov't employees) so it doesn't do me much good to get traffic from just anywhere. Google's AdWords has allowed me to target the group I'm looking for, and I have been happy with the CTR (13.9%) and that is at .05 a click. So my costs aren't too bad but it is a cost I know I could cut with good SEO.

    The question is, what's the best way to make money on a content site? My goal is to help as many people as possible understand their retirement accounts so if I charge for the site, which I believe will make me decent money, I won't be helping as many people because many people are still leary about paying for anything online. I use Adsense which brings in about what others here are saying, some days better than others. I tried affiliate links but that just seems to be a waste of time and space. I have sent a couple of emails to company's marketing departments that would benefit from placing an inexpensive banner on a site that targets this group but they pretty much ignore me. I have even considered one of those PayPal "Donate" buttons but that sounds cheesy to me. I guess whatever works. Does anybody here use that and if so, how has it done for you? I sent a buck to someone the other day after a I used a cool tool they offered but I have no problems with buying things online.

    Many of the sites you folks own are great traffic generators offering super content and services. How are you making it worth your time?

    Thanks.
     
    tsptom, Apr 17, 2004 IP
  2. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #2
    I don't make money on content, I make money on products (which have nothing to do with the content users).

    - Shawn
     
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  3. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    I wouldn't pay to promote my product at any website but I'm happy to give a commission if your site leads to a sale, thus the affiliate programs offered by RegNow, ClickBank, Plimus etc. Go slowly, pick products you are happy to promote and position them well. That said, I'm new to affiliate sites and so it might be wishful thinking.

    Be careful about charging for the content. I don't know about the UK but down in NZ you'd have to a pretty dynamic industry leader with "guru" status to get anyone to pay for your online content. I don't know you or your industry but I'm guessing you're not.

    Look at value added benefits so that people might want to advertise. A local site PropertyTalk.co.nz has had good results from selling "sponsorship" so it might just be one of those things you have to work at.
     
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  4. tsptom

    tsptom Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your reply. I guess I better not use my www.TSPguru.com domain anymore. :D
     
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  5. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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  6. schlottke

    schlottke Peon

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    Personally, if you wanted to charge for content, I think you'd be better off giving away some of the more common, useful resources and charging for your more advanced products...

    (I.E. if Shawn was going to charge for his tools, he'd offer the AdSense Sandbox, Keyword Suggestion Tool, Search, and Tracker for free while charging for the Keyword position and a few other tools.)
     
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  7. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    Plus you have to bear in mind the old "barrier to entry" philosophy. It doesn't take much to set up a website and to talk about general ideas around a subject. If you are going to charge then you have to be sure that someone doesn't think "I can do that and give it away" and you lose your business. Approach this as you would any other business - if that's what it's meant to be.

    Using Shawn's keyword tracker as a case in point. At the same time as he launched another service launched which was charging. Which did I use? the free one. I assume that there will be some level of advertising or a "pro" version so that the site owner gets something for their efforts.

    On the other hand I'm looking for some very specific online tools at the moment and while the US$6k price tags of some put me off I'm resigned to the fact I'll be paying some amount. I'm happy to pay when there is no free alternative and the product is sufficiently sophisticated.

    Sarah
     
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  8. tsptom

    tsptom Well-Known Member

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    That is a possibilty, just paying for advanced content. Thanks.

    I'm still interested in feedback on the PayPal "Donate" button option. Cheesy?


    Exactly!
     
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  9. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    Out of curiosity, what tools are you looking for?

    - Shawn
     
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  10. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    Gotcha! No not your sort of tools.
    * A CMS which is focussed on serving our affiliates - see http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=277
    * A CRM and Trouble Ticket system to replace our legacy FoxPro v2.6 (16 bit technology) system. It meets all our needs bar 1, but it crashes constantly on the faster computers. A spot of irony.

    Sarah
     
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  11. tsptom

    tsptom Well-Known Member

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  12. hans

    hans Well-Known Member

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    Content and donations

    my site ever since was fully content oriented - nothing at all to sell. even now.
    now the only difference - in addition to all online content i offer exactly the same in offline version as packed file or on mini-cd.

    ALL ( ten thousands $ for SW and HW, ...) of the full time expenses of this life time job are paid by honest donations only

    and it works !

    i never made any paid advertisement.
    Good content meeting the NEEDS of a certain group of people such as your group of government employees - such people are searching

    my people search me

    hence my focus is and always was SEO to make all information - each individual page as easily and relevantly available to each individual query or problem a person may enter.
    giving him certitude that he found what he was looking for.


    IF your site has many pages ..
    then you may offer as well all as a download eBook or compressed zip file or on cd ...
    as a additional convenience for the readers to have all handy at home whenever needed for future reference.
    anything that brings direct benefits of any kind to mankind always is worth a donation to many - to enough to assure you being out of
    having to think about how to finance your help and all recurring expenses for helping.

    and add a PayPal button.

    if you have nothing at all for sale
    offer only help and advice for the financial benefit of others - THEN YOU should have no expenses at all
    and if it is your full time job helping hundred thousands of gov employees to get more legal money for their purpose
    then you should be able to live from the honest donations made by the many gov employees financially benefitting from
    your help, advice and work.

    helping OTHERS should NEVER be a financial burden for the helpers.
    helping others is important - as millions in many different areas need help
    and their benefit from receiving help also
    is reflected by their financial benefits - hence they may easily be willing to share your overall expenses ( overall expenses being ALL
    HW, SW and living expenses for any fulltime service ).

    a very long time a go i did similar than now - but without web site - and for a long time i strictly refused to accept donations from anyone
    no matter how many hours at once they visited me ..

    i had a hard time - working OFF duty hours - being tired when they needed help ( my services were offered 24/7 )
    being stressed finding a job suiting my off hours to make money paying for the help
    and even more important

    i realized that some felt bad receiving valuable help and advice and NOT being allowed to give anything valuable in return.
    i realized that sometimes they would come more often to benefit more frequently from my services
    but they refrained from doing so because of missing exchange in BOTH directions.

    then i changed to honest donation system more than a decade ago
    ( and run a clinic from the very beginning entirely on that system successfully for a while )
    and now all can benefit as much as they love to
    and share when they love and how much they love to share
    or benefit for free ..
     
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    tsptom Well-Known Member

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    Thanks hans! I appreciate the info.
     
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    Hans, Interesting info, it was a good read
     
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    I don't think a paypal donate button is cheesy. But just don't expect to make a lot from it either. What about adsense? I'm not familiar with your topic, but if there are ads available for the subject matter, then adsense might be the best way to go. It has made a lot of content providers very happy.
     
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    tsptom Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I use AdSense and it has done OK for me. It basically covers my AdWords bill ;)

    So far the donate button has been a flop.
     
    tsptom, May 20, 2004 IP
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    Tom- I am not totally familiar with your situation (I learned a small amount about it after visiting my brother who is in the military and does some tsp related financing) but I wonder if you'd be able to offer a 'premium services' portion where your visitors could get even more valuable tips, things you've seen working better than your average joe user tips. Not sure if this could be done or not, but if your users see the simple things working they will spring with their new found profits to find out these more profitable tips.
     
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    i think sclottke is corect. good luck with your business : ]
     
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    What is wrong with you?
    the tread is 3 years old damnit!
     
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    Just Luck ,the other may not like!
     
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