The template for Iraq today is not Vietnam, with which it has often been compared, but El Salvador, where a right-wing government backed by the United States fought a leftist insurgency in a 12-year war beginning in 1980. The cost was high — more than 70,000 people were killed, most of them civilians, in a country with a population of just six million. Most of the killing and torturing was done by the army and the right-wing death squads affiliated with it. According to an Amnesty International report in 2001, violations committed by the army and associated groups included ‘‘extrajudicial executions, other unlawful killings, ‘disappearances’ and torture. . . . Whole villages were targeted by the armed forces and their inhabitants massacred.’’ As part of President Reagan’s policy of supporting anti-Communist forces, hundreds of millions of dollars in United States aid was funneled to the Salvadoran Army, and a team of 55 Special Forces advisers, led for several years by Jim Steele, trained front-line battalions that were accused of significant human rights abuses. this is exactly what happened in bosnia and kosovo...ive been saying it all along the US government finds separatists or opportunists that will later be their puppets...the truth is spun to whatever suits them and an entire region is forced in to a bloody civil war... i dont consider it as terrorism...this is something much more than that with a much wider scope of action...
Standard technique. Blame someone else or offer a worse comparison to make the problem not look so bad. Taking responsibility? Good luck. There are more people in American prisons per capita than Russia, China or Cuba. Land of the free baby. Free slave labor. People don't want to read gworld. They want to post on P&R. They don't want to donate money, join a cause, contact their congressman, tell their family. That would be too much work to stop evil. This is evil. This is wrong. We pay for it. It's done in our name. It must stop before we are all destroyed.
So you compare El Salvador with Bosnia? What happened in Bosnia? All those muslim civilians your nation slaughtered were actually US puppets? How about Srebrenica genocide? US made you do it huh? US did support almost every single right wing dictator in history but using that to explain miserable failed Milosevic's project of "Great Serbia" is nonsense.
thats a very one sided account of events...we lived in peace for decades and all of a sudden we want to kill everybody? im sorry but your story does not exactly represent the truth...terrible things happened during the war but what started the war was certainly not a few speeches by milosevic as CNN likes to paint it... srebrenica?? this was in 1995 the war was raging for years...people like to quote srebrenica like it was an out-of-the-blue massacre ...what people so conveniently forget to mention is what led to the whole civil war in the first place : slovenian,muslim bosnian and croatian separatist politicians wanting their own little private countries and new nations... every country/people have a right to independence but there was not need for the war...we could have solved it without the bloodshed...but then the US support and weapons came to the region and you know the rest... milosevic was scum just like tudjman and alija but this is not the point...the point is who cemented milosevic in power and who silenced the democratic pro western opposition in our country... also you are very conveniently forgetting that it takes 2 sides to have an argument...you said "great serbia" what about croatian/bosnian muslim separatism?...what were we supposed to do with the serbian population in bosnia and croatia? just leave them to the first US supported separatists that come along? pour gasoline on any small fire and it will burn hard...this is what the US army/government does on a systematic base...macedonia and montenegro separated without a single bullet being fired...slovenia kinda did the same with a bit of fighting here and there...serbia was not even directly involved in the war if we really wanted to kill you all we would have rolled over you guys in just a few days (im not being disrespectful to your nation i have many croat friends...its just plain fact we had a much stronger army at the beginning of the war)...
His speeches didn't started the war but his actions did. Srebrenica was first genocide in Europe since WWII and members of your nation did that. For those who don't know what happened there here's link: Srebrenica massacre. YOur nation did that because someone wanted his own private little country? Seriously! The war started because your nation was lied how you can make Greater Serbia. We are separatists because we wanted our own country?!? Get real! hahahahahahahahaha I have to laugh to this one! If we were getzting weapons from US (and I asume that you're talking about muslims in Bosnia too) why we let your nation to commit so much killings and why we let you took so much territory? To make war last longer? You cemented Milosevic. 13 years after war he caused you still repeat his BS propaganda he used to start it. You again repeating Milosevics propaganda that started whole mess. Because of it you lost Kosovo but you still don't want to admit that. Who destroyed Vukovar? Battle of Vukovar All that forces against: 50,000 against 2 to 3,000 and everyone can see how long it took your forces to capture city and you now talking about how you could roll over us? Let's see what was reaction from your country mens on your heavy losses at Vukovar: You can't never disrespect nation which gave 2000 brave men who defended Vukovar against all those hordes...
actually your separatism started his speeches and gave power to them...please get your time line of events srt8 srebrenica was unfortunate...just like your histroy... for those who dont know what happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Croatia so does this make your nation "evil" too? or was your population steered in to the war just like we were? should i post links to the concentration camps where "your naiton" murdered off 100.000-s of serbs/jews/non catholics??...ok granted "we" murdered 8000 people in srebrenica... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac any comment? no? should i post a link with croat war crimes in the civil war or should we get on with it? yes your persident tudjman and the muslim perz alija wanted their own little private countries you forget to mention this? you are being very one sided and selectively forgetful about this...we already had our nation we did not need any independence or support...get your arguments str8 no you get real...what started first? your separatism or our nationalism? ill give you a little hint...every time you say "great serbia" you sound silly...im not being disrespectful here but nobody in serbia gave a shit... if you did not get US support you would have been rolled over by the army in mainland serbia...what was stopping serbia from attacking you? or right the americans and their bombs ...dont distort the facts you know that serbia was not directly involved and you know what would have happened if it was... no the american bombs and your separatism left our opposition with 0 arguments and left milosevic untouchable...AGAIN think about what made milosevic popular in the first place: croat and muslim separatists and US support...it was sure not a few speeches in front of hillbillies and rednecks as CNN likes to paint it... youre being very unreasonable...what did you expect any politician in the world to do? give independence to the first separatists that came along? name one nation it the world that would allow 2 new muslim states and 1 former "nazi" state to build independent countires on "their" soil without any fuss...your history is not exactly spotless is it? the situation was not black and white as you try to paint it...you were not exactly asking for candy and daises were you? we were supposed to leave 100.000-s of serbs to live in your new private states just because you say so? seriously? you watch "sparta" too much ...50.000 roll over 2-3000 when ever they feel like it...vukovar was a bizzare political stand off the order was never really given to occupy and this is the only reason and it is also the reason for the deserting of many serb forces...it has nothing to do with the "spartan" nature of the defenders one big ass bomb would have leveled vukovar with the ground... look iggysick im not going in to whos nation is better/worse i really dont care...i dont hate croats or muslims and i dont mind that you have your own country...in no way do i look down upon you or wish you any harm... let me remind you that independence is not always easy to get but theres never a reason to leave peaceful negotiations and go to war over it (this goes for both sides)...sure you have a right to independence but does this justify going to a bloody war over it? i realize fully that milosevic was not about to give it to you so easily (like any politician in the world) but was taking up arms really the best solution? its not like the air you breathe would disapear if you did not have independence right way? was it really so unthinkable to pursue your independence in a peaceful way? we could have resolved it peacefully but the USA and your separatists had better "ideas" for you...
lol is that why he refused to make former Yugoslavia confederation and started the war? You forget that both croatians and slovenians offered you to transform Yugoslavia to confederation of states but your belowed Milosevic refused that and started the war. No, Srebrenica was first genocide after WWII and members of your nation did that. You keep finding excuses for what Milosevic did and yet you claim that he was a scum. Make up your mind already. And don't forget: our first president was one of those who fought against ustasas in WWII. Nobody same would make connections between todays Germany and nazi era Germany. Only you guys keep doing that with my nation and facist state formed by nazis from my nation. Is there any nation in occupied Europe during WWII that didn't have people who followed Hitler with joy? How about your nation? Should I post links to war crimes your "nation" did our independence war? Yeah, let's count who killed more innocent people. I doubt we can beat your hordes in that... Again you have been disrespectful for all those who gave their lives so that we can have free country. You also forgeting that we had referendum in both Bosnia and Croatia and our nations said what they want. Without will of our nations both Tudjman and Izetbegovic couldn't do a shit. What my nation wanted we showed you at Vukovar and Dubrovnik and Gospic and all other battles. What started first? Read it right here. 1988. Anti-bureaucratic revolution 1989 amendments to the Serbian constitution AFter that we decided that we don't want to live in that kind of Yugoslavia and we said it clearly on first independed elections in our country. I would like to see some sources how US supported us but I guess that's too much to ask from you lol I was already provided source what happened after battle of Vukovar but you missed that so I'll post it one more time: As I can see so called JNA was more that willing to continue attacks on us but your nation didn't felt like it so keep dreaming about "rolling over" American bombs came years after your beloved Miloseivc started his first war and he came to power before both Tudjman and Izetbegovic. Funny, you keep defending him. That's why we didn't wanted to live in same state with you guys in first place: you have that obsession Yugoslavia= us. Well, it was not. Yugoslavia was formed from several republics and in it's constituion each republic have right to separate any time they want which you keep forgeting. We didn't take anyones "soil"! It's was our soil for 100s of years. And you still defending Milosevic! Give it a break already lol Again I've provided sources for my claims. Feel free to dispute them. Those brave soldiers from my side fought for their freedom and their lives and very end. It has nothing to do with "spartan" nature. Excuse me but who was Milosevic to give us independence!?! Are you being serious? Croatia was and is our country and our nation decided that we want our independent country and that's it! What you simply don't want to admit is that Milosevic started war to keep us in Yugoslavia by force. After he failed to do that he had back up plan to get us much land as he can get in Croatia and Bosnia. And you think if you keep saying how US supported us that it will become truth... Sorry, it won't work. If we were supported by them (and by that I mean supported with weapons!) you wouldn't took single inch of our land and we would save so many innocent lives like these guys: Vukovar massacre And if you mean that US supported us in political way that you're right. But you call also add to them almost every single nation in the world. Remember, you got sanctions from UN and we got help from all over the world. I need to repeat one thing again as I can see... You claimed that Milosevic was a scum and yet you claim that we could have resolved it peacefully... Sorry, how can you resolve anything with scum?