Low PR sites on top in google

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by trafficteam, Nov 20, 2008.

  1. #1
    How can Google shows low PR sites on top instead, a high PR sites?

    Please clearly give me useful information.
     
    trafficteam, Nov 20, 2008 IP
  2. MMandYOu

    MMandYOu Peon

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    Okay say you search....."Disney World Vacation"

    The top search result is "Disney World Vacation Planning" and is a PR 0

    5th result is "Disney World Tickets" but is a PR 5

    Google uses the PR0 first because that website title or URL has more keywords in it that you searched for. Therefore, making it more relevant.
     
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  3. Mike_Benner

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    Hello,

    It's because PR is only one of the factors that Google ranks the site by. PR is only based on the number of links and the PR of the sites that linked to the site in question. However, Google ranks site by relevance of the incoming links. So if you have a few links from low PR websites but that have on topic content and the links are using the right keywords you'll rank higher on google, rather than having 1 links from a rather high PR not on topic page.
     
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  4. linkpopularitymatters

    linkpopularitymatters Guest

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    I agree with MM. It depends on the keywords we are using for a particular search.
     
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  5. jitendraag

    jitendraag Notable Member

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    #5
    Multiple reasons:

    1. The homepage PR may have been manually set to 0 after penalization from google.
    2. The PR for competition may be high but the anchor text for the site may be better for this site.
    3. PR mechanism from google is not 'always' accurate.
     
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  6. mauik

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    I am constantly amazed by how much people in DP forums correlate page rank with SERP rankings. If I made a list of the top 20 factors that go into SERP rankings, page rank wouldn't be on it, and any SEO professional will tell you the same thing.

    PR is used for evaluating the relative gravity of links, not SERP rank. That's why you see low PR sites ranked above high PR sites.
     
    mauik, Nov 20, 2008 IP
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    jitendraag Notable Member

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    @Mauik: I would probably place PR in top 10 factors. But people should keep in mind that google.com has PR 10 but it won't rank for a keyword like 'Indian stocks'. Because there is no on-page / off-page optimization for that keyword / phrase. PR is NOT everything, though it's definitely a factor that I would keep in mind.
     
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  8. buzzerhutdotcom

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    well if pr really matters that much then google , yahoo , msn must be always top in the search engines .
     
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  9. mauik

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    I'll admit I don't know everything, but I really think that PR is indicative of a good site with good SERPs. I think that PR and SERP rank often go up together as the site gains trust and authority, but I have a lot of doubt that PR affects SERPs.

    I'd love to hear any more insight you have. I'm always learning this stuff, too. :)
     
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    Mikesblank Active Member

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    PageRank is so incredibly hyped up, any spam site with a bit of link building work can get to PR 4. I tend to ignore PR altogether, the only value I find in it is when people judge the PR for the value of a link sale.
     
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    #11
    Based on my own experiences, Google seems to looking at PR as a secondary factor. I have a site that targets a keyword with low searches but "medium" SEO competition. My site is a PR1, but ranks number 2 for my targeted keyword. My remaining competitors are all PR3 or up, yet rank below me. In addition, my site has 1 backlink and that the PR from that link is a 2.

    Clearly PR is important, but it isn't everything.

    I'd love to hear some other people's experience with this.
     
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    PR is just a figure showing how Google see its importance. But its not a big factor in having a good SERP.
     
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    #13
    For starters - Pagerank that is displayed in the toolbar or via an external query is only updated a couple times a year. From what I understand for search rankings it is constantly updated.

    Secondly.... content is what someone is SAYING, pagerank is their CREDIBILITY from the world around them.

    If someone is very credible but irrelevant then why return it as a top search result? Now, flip that idea - if someone is VERY relevant to the topic at hand EVEN if they don't have much credibility, they should be ranked well.
     
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    Well, I think PR has nothing to do with SERP.
     
    mokmok69, Nov 25, 2008 IP
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    And you are in good company. Lots and lots of DP posters believe (wrongly) that PR has no effect on SERPs, which puts them in direct contrast to Google's clear statement on the subject: "Pages that we believe are important pages receive a higher PageRank and are more likely to appear at the top of the search results." — http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html

    In brief, higher PR makes you more likely to score higher in the SERPs. You can believe one of two sources:
    1) the numerous DP posters who trot out a few meaningless, ancecdotal examples and conclude (contrary to Google) that PR does not affect SERPs. Or...
    2) Google, the patent owner and calculator of PageRank. They say, unequivocally clearly, that PR does affect SERPs.
     
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    Lately, it seems google has tried to implement a lot of "fresh" content as well...I can make a new Squidoo page about "blue widgets" and it will rank on the first page 12 hours later...only to be gone in 3 days.
     
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    #17
    As Jim correctly noted, PR is a major factor in determining where Google places your site in the serps. However, what you see in the toolbar is just a general overview of a page's PR.

    Google's internal PR is likely much more detailed in order to deliver quality search results. I'm sure they assign PR on a keyword to page basis. That being said, a PR 5 page may actually have various PR's assigned to each keyword that appears on the page.
     
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    i do heard a lot about google's priority given to the backlinks from the relevant sites.I wondered what is the reason behind it.

    After all backlink is a backlink ?
     
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    #19
    Thats so true, just the domains that use keywords matters alot
     
    Caesar1, Nov 26, 2008 IP
  20. Caesar1

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    I also think if you rank good in serps for awile, you will get good pagerank
     
    Caesar1, Nov 26, 2008 IP