Pop on over to http://www.LoveGodsWay.org for your dose of C.H.O.P.S. (Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People) Warning: Extreme bigot ahead. Do not watch where people senior to you may think this is a hate video. I'm only half-joking. You can check out his video here: http://collegehumor.com/video:1737792 Clearly, god hates fags. Personally I am amazed that christians find themselves disliked for holding with people of such a base and degrading nature. Why are Imam's made to apologize for their "radicals" but christian priests are off the hook for anything their flock says, does or promotes? (Probably just a 'fear of the unknown'/'media bias/portrayal' thing..but come on) Can anyone justify his message? Can someone explain to me why a religion of tolerance and peace is so threatened by Nirvana and Nickelback, along with Elton John and Bjork. Evanescence is on the "OK" list (yet they covered 'Heart Shaped Box' by Nirvana?). Maybe I'm venting, maybe I have a larger hate for a religion I long ago became disillusioned with... what say you?
Christians off the hook? Imams have to apologize? Welcome to bizarro world. Islamic extremists have to be taken seriously because they kill people. We'd like to ignore them but that doesn't work. They just throw a bigger hissy fit and murder more people. Nobody cares about radical Christians. That's why they're ignored in the media for the most part. And yes God puts homosexuality and adultery in his top ten list of sins that will get you into hell. Sin is natural and unavoidable. That doesn't make it right or excusable. Those two sins and others seem to be particulary damaging and that's why God is particularly vocal concerning them. I'd imagine part of the reason for that is that people who practice those sins like to pretend that it's okay because it's "natural." James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. But as with all sins, as long as you don't love the sin there is forgiveness. So I wouldn't say homosexuality is any worse than any other sin other than that when it comes to one's affections it's very difficult to change.
and so you can commit any sin, like murder or rape, but as long as you don't love the sin you can be forgiven????????? that is scary
As long as you repent and accept the consequences then yes, you can be forgiven of anything. Why is that so scary? Democrats love rehabilitating people. Even murderers and rapists. Child molestors get to be put back into society and given second, third, etc chances. Isn't that society forgiving people? And yet you have a problem with God forgiving these people which doesn't affect you at all. Forgiveness often includes punishment. Forgiveness only can get you out of hell. It doesn't free you from the consequences (punishments) for the sins you commit.
well its basically saying its ok to commit those sins because in the long run you can be forgivne.... "As long as you repent and accept the consequences then yes, you can be forgiven of anything" doestn't that just open the door to bad things? HOw about a serial murderer like the BTK guy, Bind Torture Kill, where he would bind torture and then kill his victims, something like 8 of them. So that is ok because he can be forgiven?
When did I say it was okay? Forgiveness doesn't make the action okay. It makes you okay with God or society. That "top 10" list of sins that keep you of heaven. And yet, the very next verse indicates that many were guilty of those very sins and were still saved. Yes all those sins are bad, but you can be forgiven.
God loves everyone more than we can IMAGINE, but homosexuality is a serious sin, and it will count against us as the judgment day comes. Besides, females are so much more attractive.
Unless you're going to hell, no sins will count against you. That's the whole point of being forgiven. You can't get into heaven unless you're perfect in God's eyes. That perfection comes from God forgiving you all your sins because of what his son did. It's only serious because it's very difficult to overcome. It doesn't help that society encourages it. Typically homosexuals reject God and Christianity and call anyone who says they're doing something wrong a bigot. They'd rather be gay than try to stop living that sin. Imagine if adulterers and drunks acted like that. Some do. All people have pet sins they don't want to stop doing for one reason or another.
Well Ted Haggard clearly didn't... I have never once been given a proper reason why homosexuality is "wrong", and why it is a "sin" (apart from "a book written by lots of men 4000 years ago says so"). Especially when there is a body of evidence that sexuality is determined before birth - perhaps even genetically determined in part, which throws up awful questions for Christians, because that means God is "designing" people to be gay... which is a sin... oops, contradiction in the Bible alert...
The same argument implies that God designed people to sin since even the Bible says we were conceived in sin. oops...argument falling apart alert... If people are genetically disposed to be "gay" that's no different than being genetically disposed to "sin" And in both cases those with that genetic flaw can be saved. The genetic mutations that cause problems are a result of sin in the first place. If Adam and Eve had not sinned we'd still have perfect DNA which would prevent genetic problems that lead to predispostitions to particular sins. Addictions (which can lead to drunkeness) is also a genetic thing. So I fail to see the point of your post.
It's an interesting read at Genesis 19:1-11 that's for sure. It pretty much hits the spot for the question about how God feels about this. Col
Hmmm... my understanding was that most Christians believed God designed us with the capacity for us to sin via our free will. He didn't design anyone to be an inherent, inescapable sinner (or so I thought). He gave us free will so we could choose our actions, be they sinful or not. I thought Christians saw homosexuality as a choice that can be changed with therapy, not as something ingrained and unchangeable at birth (and a result of sin). Interesting way of looking at things, although utterly unprovable. What Christian sect are you, by the way, to have this interesting outlook? Hmm... sin causes genetic mutations? Well I never... would love to see a paper on that. Oh! Pardon me. It was this: I have never once been given a proper reason why homosexuality is "wrong", and why it is a "sin" (apart from "a book written by lots of men 4000 years ago says so").