That's your new evidence (since molten steel and cell phones were clearly debunked, as well as some others) that 9/11 was an inside job? I suppose I shouldn't even bother, but what argument does it actually raise? I take it Moussauoi's defense team couldn't get the molten steel theory to work? http://newsradio880.com/pages/21083.php? All these golden gems of "evidence," and for some reason, the defense team just ignores them. Hmm...
FBI plotted and bombed WTC in 1993 and paid the informant $1,000,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing#Alleged_FBI_foreknowledge
Like I say, I don't usually get involved ~ I don't know if you guys have talked about this in the past or not before, but I just call it like I see it.
Incorrect. You left out some very important details. One, this is a book. Books are made to sell and make money. Two, even though it's just a book that makes these claims, you forgot an important claim they make: Three, and most important, you failed to show anywhere within the book's claims that 9/11 was an inside job. As one that wants to question "facts," shouldn't you be asking these questions, instead of me?
Molten steel and impossible cell phone calls were never debunked. Gtech uses terrorist lies and george bush as his "evidence" for debunking things
Ok, so you are getting them too? Where is the "Report this" link in the PM section? My box is full of harrasing messages from "insideman73".
So you admit that you don't ask the "tough" questions when presenting ideas that have no evidence? That isn't very patriotic There's no evidence of *anything* molten, let alone that it was steel, aluminum or any other sort of metal. I welcome any other made up facts you have!
I thought they were funny actually, though a bit disappointed he's too afraid to debate. No doubt he wants to mask that IP address. I was watching his profile, watching him go back and forth from the thread, to sending PMs. As if he didn't have a care in the world! I've never had my own personal stalker, how exciting and what odd timing!
See mia's and my posts above. Apparently he's signed up on the forum to send out harrassing PMs to members. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=771656&postcount=246
He didn't send me any harrassing letters.. just praise for being smart enough to see through gtech and mia's republican-conservative-nutjob propaganda that bush is our saviour
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney. Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security. Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it. In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack. Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack. "The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise," said Bowman "I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation." Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, "If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney." Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11. Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, "I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government." Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, "Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined." Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, "The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash." "There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk," said Bowman. Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, "I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one." A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts. In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press. Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority? Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm --------------------------- Wow... looks like some of the people gtech admires are waking up
Wow, coming out of the woodworks, eh? Probably so! But then the videos and "facts" the movement keep putting out are by far the biggest misrepresentation within the movement. If only Moussaoui's defense team had been smart enough to consult AJ!
GTech, do you believe the official 9-11 story, 100% as it's being sold to the US public? Just curious.
Argument ~ Controlled Demolition of WTC towers. Why did the buildings tumble at free-fall speed? Should the steel under the rest of the building have not provided *some* kind of resistance to the falling debris? Why did both the buildings fall identically, even though they were hit in different places by the plane? Why is it that there have only every been 3 steel built buildings in history (ever) to tumble as a result of fire ~ and all of them fell on 9/11? (The north Tower, South tower and *incredibly*, WTC7) I've been doing a bit of research into this to try and come to my own conclusions about it. I honestly feel that there are some questions raised that I have yet to see valid arguments against ~ I can't say that I honestly believe the *official* story when there seem to be so many gaping holes in it. Thankfully, we have comparative case studies available to us of past events where aircraft have crashed into steel based skyscrapers ~ much older than the buildings that fell on 9/11. In 1945, a US Army B-52 crashed into the Empire State Building. Here are some handy stats on the B-52: • SPAN: 185 ft. • LENGTH: 156 ft. 6 in. • HEIGHT: 48 ft. 3 in. • WEIGHT: maximum takeoff weight 450,000 lb. On September 11th 2001, a Boeing 767 crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Centre, killing nearly 3,000 people and causing so much damage to the building's main infrastructure that it fell to the ground less than an hour later. Here are some stats about the aircraft. • SPAN:156 ft. 1 in. • LENGTH:180 ft. 3 in. • WEIGHT: maximum take-off 345,000 to 407,000 lb. [Aircraft stats pulled from here.] I think we can agree that the aircraft are of similar size and weight, although the B-52 is slightly larger. According to About.com... The integrity was not affected? How can a bigger aircraft, hitting into an *older* building, travelling at similar speeds cause so little damage to the Empire State Building, but so much damage to *both* of the WTC Towers (Built over 70 later than the empire state building)? This seems very odd to me, however isn't by any means conclusive evidence, but it is nonetheless an interesting comparison of the events... ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Argument ~ Many of the *suspected* Hijackers are still alive, so is the passport. Now this to me makes absolutely no sense at all. How can it be that the FBI website is still informing the public that Waleed M. Alshehri is one of the suspected suicide bombers, yet he is alive and well still to this day. The same is believed to be true of Abdulaziz Al Omari, and Saeed Alghamdi ~ Infact it is believed that 9 of the 'suspected' hijackers are all alive and well. Does this not strike anyone as odd? What also strickes me as odd is that the passport of Satam Al Suqami was managed to be recovered within 5 days of the incident, yet the 4 black boxes (2 from each aircraft) were 'lost' or damaged beyond a readable state. The passport wasn't even burnt! According to Wikipedia. So, 4 Black Boxes, made from the most resilient metals known to man all perished, yet 1 passport (Which happened to belong to one of the hijackers), made from paper managed to escape the 1300˙ inferno. Now *that* is a miracle. Please, it took me a while to look into all this ~ I'd appreciate you taking the time to argue the case against these points if you plan on doing so... For the record, I'm not interested in personal insults ~ as soon as it happens I'm out of the thread... I read the last 250 odd posts and it's kinda fallen into a free for all slagging match... Lets try and keep this civilised eh... Heh...