Show us this site and what keyword he used, its easy to see if articles were the reason. Saying "I know this site, that uses this keyword" proves nothing.
What proof are you offering that it doesn't work. You're just offering your opinion which I disagree with, and which most people would disagree with. I see no proof that you're offering, I don't see a single case study where you appear to be correct. Let me see the proof my friend. M
lol extensive categorization,extensive categorization,extensive categorization,extensive categorization what exactly does that prove, that putting some obscure phrase in your title tag helps you rank for it? there are only 2 sites with that term in its title? http://www.google.com/search?num=10...ntitle:"extensive+categorization"&btnG=Search That what that means right?
Here's an example. "online piano lessons" guy wrote a few dozen articles Look at #11 result. Look at his links, they are almost all articles. And he ranks #11 out of 1,400,000. http://www.quiescencemusic.com/piano_lessons.html I could probably find others. MR
That is my point... The search term is not competitive. He said article submission brought him to number one... I'm say having the term in the title probably took him to number one, since the keyword is not competitive. So I did the same thing and with no article submission.
The site has been around since 2002 and #12 is this site www.pianolessonsonline.com You keep submiting away. Good luck!
The problem is you're just stating it as if we're supposed to believe you. We're supposed to believe you why? I'm supposed to ignore the real results that I have seen. You offer no proof that you're correct. When the results have been well evidenced by plenty of people. The fact is that there are so many variables. If we're doing our job with SEO we throw everything and the kitchen sink at the problem. We meddle with all kinds of things. It's almost impossible to put together a valid scientific analysis of what worked and what didn't. You just test, and analyze and test again. And for any example I provide you, you could come up with a plausible reason why articles didn't help. Unless we were both involved from the start and tracked the natural progression, how can we definitively answer who is right, and who is wrong? My tests have shown me that article submission can be worthwhile. They are not the end all be all. I lump them in with everything else I do from on page optimization, to providing fresh content on the site, to getting links from relevant link partners. I don't just focus on one thing, my campaign has multiple facets. I disagree with your contention that they are worthless. They are not going to get you to the top of the rankings of a very competitive keyword by themselves, but they are an effective part of a comprehensive SEO and marketing plan. M
Once again, no proof just an opinion. No matter what example I could come up with, you'd come up with some reason why the articles were pointless, and no proof to back it up. The thing is how could you? How about this. Put your money where your mouth is. Put up $1k in Escrow.com. I'll do the same. Give me a website, not my website, not your website. Just a random website. We'll give it two months. I'll submit some articles only to article directories. And lets see what happen? Let's see if it helps the website rank better? And what would be the measure of success, if it went up 1 spot would that be enough? 10? 100? If it goes up, I take it all. If there is no change, then you get it all. Sound fair? M
Serious? I will do that in a heartbeat or course in order to get the new site indexed quickly I will have to link to it from a site.... Please explain why I rank higher for "extensive categorization".... THE whole point of my post. You have yet to tell me why. - We pick a generic term (something not used) - We buy a new domain (something that doesn't have the term in the domain name) - You submit articles and I will just link to the site from one of mine. - Inbound links can only come from FREE article sites for you and inbound links can only come from one of my sites.
That's not what you said my friend, you said that article submission to free article sites is pointless, it has no worth. So the comparison is NOT to a link from any site out there. The comparison is no article submission versus article submissions. YOU stated that it is pointless to submit articles to free article directories. Not that relevant links aren't important. Of course they are, I'm not arguing that. They are all part and parcel of a complete and effective SEO and marketing plan. My contention is that you saying that free article submission is pointless just doesn't mesh with what I found. And the thing is article submission isn't really that hard. I mean what does it take to get it done? There are half a dozen auto submission programs out there, where for a time investment of less than an hour, you can create an article and blast it out there to hundreds of websites. It complements everything else we do to rank well. So, the bet is NOT against a link versus article submission. The bet would be that you state article submission has NO effect. While my side of the bet would be that it does help ranking. Who said anything about a new site. I'm saying just pick a site out of the blue, any site, and then try to get that site to rank for a certain keyword just by article submissions. According to you, any articles wouldn't help that site rank at all. You don't have to do anything. We'll just see what happens. For instance, here's a site www.rrmgt.com which sells automobile insurance in Atlanta. But, I can't find it ranked anywhere in google for automobile insurance atlanta, or car insurance atlanta. Now I don't own this site, and I'm assuming you don't either. So, I can't change anything on page, nor can you. You can take a snapshot of the incoming links. I don't find any in Google, and only 3 in Yahoo. So, according to you if I submit articles to just free directories it shouldn't help this website at all. My contention is that an organized campaign of free article submissions with nothing else would help the website rank. If they were truly my client, I'd be more interested in doing many things to get them to rank better, but for the purpose of this exercise I'll only do free article submission. So, if the website ranks for automobile insurance atlanta within two months, than you lose basically. MR
This is getting interesting lol.... ConstantContent, you only proved that high-quality natural links are stronger than links from article directories (I can't argue with that). However, this doesn't erase the benefits that article submissions give, which are great in their own right especially when you compare the cost (your time) with results (rankings, visits, exposure).
I'm willing to take that bet but lets change the keywords since I do not know that site. I'm willing to take that bet with "Public Relations Atlanta" which leaves the city intact but its a different keyword to be safe.
and it can only be free article directories like I stated... To be safe you should list the directories before hand for approval. Two months it is!!
I have an article optimized for google with my site to position 2 for article and 6 for website on search of 41,000,000 article was only posted feb 13th and is now position number 2 out of 41 mill. I'd say the correct article can be extremely powerful. The article gets about 500 hits a day so far
is the article posted in a "free article directory"? The right article posted on the right website can be very powerful... this is not my argument.
its on ezinearticles.com that has the high placement. the fact is that a lot of quality links can come from free article directories. You are getting hits to your article which related to hits on your site, and usually they are targeted since more articles must be found and searched for.
Now this thread is number 1 for extensive categorization, which i knew was bound to happen it simply has more content then my page. Now... why would this thread beat the site with all these article backlinks? Pretty simple... Content... And one backlink from a crappy NEW page on my site. NOT a main page.