Links from your own site-How useful????

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by arounddelhi, Oct 10, 2005.

  1. #1
    Hi,
    I will like to have your opinion about links from one's own site which already has a good PR and ranking for enough keywords. Now suppose you start another site and have links from site 1 to this new site, will it help the new site in getting out of the sand box early and have a good PR etc. better than it otherwise would.
    Anand:)
     
    arounddelhi, Oct 10, 2005 IP
  2. aaron_nimocks

    aaron_nimocks Im kind of a big deal Staff

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    Depending on the PR of the site it will help out the PR on the other site. As for getting out of the sand box early I would say no.
     
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  3. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Links from your other site can pass PR, however if the sites share the same IP or even class "C" IP, then they can be devalued or not counted. If the sites are with another host, then they should pass PR the same as any other link. The google patent talks about checking registar information to see if sites have the same owner, but they are not doing this across the board as of the last PR update.

    The sandbox has to do with the age of your domain - and google not factoring in any links to your site for ranking purposes. No amount of links, from any site, will get you out. It just takes time.

    During the sandbox you will still get PR and the backlinks will still show.
     
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  4. Toonces51

    Toonces51 !@#$%^&*^%#@#$%

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    Is anyone sure that high PR links don't help get you out of the sandbox more quickly? I work for a company that has a PR8 site, and provides links to our clients when they launch new sites. Everything we've heard from the "SEM Experts" says about 9 months for the sandbox--our sites seem to be getting out more quickly than that (5-7 months).

    I would agree that links from a site hosted on the same IP wouldn't help get your through any quicker, and I'm guessing a PR4-5 site wouldn't help much, but our theory has been that the links from our site must/might be helping our clients get out sooner.

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  5. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    Every seo book I've read talks about the importance of cross linking your sites. It is always a good idea to cross link your high pr site's with your low pr sites. The cool thing about this strategy is the more sites you have, the easier it is to get a pr 0 site up to a pr 4 or 5. Some argue that your site's all need to have a related theme, but I don't think that is true.
     
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  6. dejaone

    dejaone Well-Known Member

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    a few quality links help, but not enough to get out of sandbox quicker. you need lot of quality links and regular content update.
     
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  7. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    40+ sites, not one has ever taken longer than 4 months to get out of the sandbox. No site has ever gotten out before 3 months. It's possible there are sectors that google sandboxes for longer, I have just never experienced it- and many of my sites are in the supposedly "high competition" sectors.

    A high PR link will not do anything to get you out of the sandbox earlier (I've tried) - I think in some cases it might even hurt you if it is from a site that is known to sell links. I have a friend who got a link from CNN and some other major news sites and while the links brought him a ton of traffic, it did nothing to get him out of the sandbox. A brand new site can still rank well for certain terms based on the domain name and on page factors, the sandbox just doesn't factor in backlinks (when calculating SERP's) during the sandbox period - which makes it near impossible to rank well for any competitive keywords since backlinks are still an important part of the google algorithm.
     
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  8. linkmaster

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    IMO there is no specific period for sandbox; it can take from zero to 12 months. It depends on the subject of the website and its main keywords; the more competitive the main subject/keywords of the site, the more is the sandbox.

    I had a site that took almost zero time to go to the top10 because it was a really original site for its subject, although Google had 2,000,000 results for its main keywords. Another PR5 travel site is still in the sandbox, after 8 months.
     
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  9. arounddelhi

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    I have linked my four sites to my main site www.AroundDelhi.com which has a PR of 4. The cross linking I think has helped both the sites. Also Google shows some of the pages of the site itself as back links to the site. How does that happen.
    Anand
     
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  10. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    It's normal for Google to show links from your own site. Google used to only show backlinks from PR4 or higher sites, but they changed it a while ago. Google only shows a percentage of the total number of backlinks - I think they now include low quality backlinks on purpose to keep others from using the info to exchange links with i.e. if a site was ranking number #1 for hosting, anyone could look at their backlinks and then try to also arrange backlinks from those same sites.
     
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  11. sufyaaan

    sufyaaan Banned

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    Strong internal linking helps in the SERPs as well as in getting Google PR... It also ensures that your site saturation will be much more than with weak, clumsy internal linking... Just my 0.02 cents! :D
     
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  12. arounddelhi

    arounddelhi Peon

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    The back links exchanged with sites should be put on a links page clubbed together or originate from different pages or does it make a difference. Also I have a travel website, can I put up non travel pages on the same site to get the advantage of a running site or go for a new site altogether.
    Anand
     
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  13. redhits

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    Yes, it will help you. Because of the content related. And don't forogt that search engines are rankings pages,and not domain names/sites.
    So if you will add 50 more pages, and concetrate on those 50 on diferents keywords, bau you could get 50 times more people on your web site :)
    I got a website that's having around 1600 internal pages that are linking to each other (in way or anather), and it's doing prety well on SERPs
     
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    redhits Notable Member

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    No , don't do that. Google now by your content and backlinks, what's the category of your website. IF will you trade links with unrelated websites, you will be punished.


    I knew that somewherethere was a tool on google.com website that as able to tell your website cateogry.
     
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