Links from same domain

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by Nitin M, Jun 30, 2004.

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    I'd like to hear people's opinions on any diminishing affect of multiple lnks form the same domain as it relates to PR and SERPS...

    For sake of argument, in this example lets assume all linking pages have exactly the same PR and exactly the same theme (just in case anyone thinks theme matters), and exactly the same anchor text is used.

    Is there any difference for PR or for SERPs impact between:

    a) A link from 100 pages of the same domain to the target page.

    b) A link from 1 page on 100 domains to the target page.
     
    Nitin M, Jun 30, 2004 IP
  2. TLDTrader.com

    TLDTrader.com Peon

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    I'm new to SEO but here's my personal experience regarding my sites.

    I always do an "all-page" linking to a new site of mine. Meaning all my older pages(from only 3 sites) having a PR6 or PR5 linking to the new site's home page. The new sites immediately got there PR5 or PR6. Without links from other sites outside of my network.

    Works for me, at least when it comes to transferring PR to my new sites. I've heard of stories where others have waited for many months to increase PR. And some of those increases where in increments of 1. In my case, I've experienced a PR0 to PR6 in less than 2 months for a particular domain.

    No improvement with regards to SERPs though :D
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #3
    I don't think anyone knows what the specific dampening factor is, but I would personally take 1 link from 20 domains, rather than 100 links from one domain. Assuming everything else being equal.

    At least if it's better rankings I'm going for.
     
    digitalpoint, Jun 30, 2004 IP
  4. Nitin M

    Nitin M White/Gray/Black Hat

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    So for SERPs you are saying you believe there is a dampening effect.

    Do you think there is a dampening effect for PR transfer as well?
     
    Nitin M, Jul 1, 2004 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    Haven't put too much thought into it... but I haven't seen anything that makes me think there is.
     
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    as PR is designed to be a page-by-page (and not site-by-site) mechanism, I wouldn't be at all surprised if each page from the domain counted just as much for PR.
     
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    Dominic Well-Known Member

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    In terms of respect within the industry - if a site had 10,000 links from three sites it would mean bugger all.

    But 10,000 links from 10,000 sites would certainly make me consider them a highly credible source.

    The engineers at search engines are pretty smart - I think they would have worked this out (the 'value' of links from multiple domains compared to the value of links from multiple pages within one site).

    I also would prefer 20 links from 20 sites than 100 links from one site.

    But I do have 800 links from one site to one of my sites and I'm not complaining!
     
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    compar Peon

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    How would you know? Are you suggesting before you "respect" a site enough to click on it you are going to do a full analysis of it IBL structure? Come on, give me a break.
     
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    compar Peon

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    Go do a backlink search on the McDar experimental page. You will see all the backlinks coming from a very few sites. But the PR for the page -- it is PR6 -- would definitely seem to indicate that the PR has transfered from all the links.
     
    compar, Jul 1, 2004 IP
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    TLDTrader.com Peon

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    I have a PR6 page that has only 8 IBLs all coming from 2 of my own domains. Six of those BLs are PR6 the other 2 are PR5.
     
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    compar Peon

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    That is entirely possible. Have you seen my Google PageRank article?
     
    compar, Jul 1, 2004 IP
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    TLDTrader.com Peon

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    #12
    Read your article. I'm sorry but I'm new to SEO and had a hard time digesting it. Will come back to it when I'm more capable of understanding it. But what makes sense to me is that my PR6 pages could be bordering on PR7. I have a feeling that they will need only a couple of more PR6 IBLs and they'll reach PR7 :rolleyes:


    Thank you very much.
     
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    compar Peon

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    As someone who admits they are new to SEO and can't understand my article how in the hell can you then make an assertion that you are high PR6 and about to become PR7????

    What is your evidence?
     
    compar, Jul 1, 2004 IP
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    TLDTrader.com Peon

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    Just a hunch, compar :D

    Which of course doesn't count in any algorithm :)

    Thanks.
     
    TLDTrader.com, Jul 1, 2004 IP
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    I'll bet you $10.00 your pages doesn't achieve PR7 in 2004. Hunches don't work worth a damn in this business.
     
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    I'll take that as a personal challenge. Not calling your bet though, as I don't like betting.

    Thank you for the motivation :D
     
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    When you say links should be from sites with at least PR 4, do you mean the homepage of the site or the page where your link is put.
    R.Anand
     
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    North Carolina SEO Well-Known Member

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    As I understand it, PR value comes directly from the page with the link and not the homepage.
     
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    Originally Posted by Dominic
    In terms of respect within the industry - if a site had 10,000 links from three sites it would mean bugger all.

    By Compar:
    How would you know? Are you suggesting before you "respect" a site enough to click on it you are going to do a full analysis of it IBL structure? Come on, give me a break.

    This Post:
    Oops, forgot I posted in this thread.

    Compar - maybe I can clarify my post...

    I was trying to say that a website is more of an authority (in my opinion) if it has links from many sites rather than many links from few sites - as the many links from many sites are more likely to be genuine links than the many links from few sites chich are more likely to be manufactured.

    This is an assumption and I assume that google engineers not only agree with me but give more weight to links from many domains over many links from few domains.

    How would I know? - :cool: I'm Sergy's therapist, it's how he feels about links. :p
     
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    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    TLDTrader said,

    "Works for me, at least when it comes to transferring PR to my new sites. I've heard of stories where others have waited for many months to increase PR. And some of those increases where in increments of 1. In my case, I've experienced a PR0 to PR6 in less than 2 months for a particular domain.

    No improvement with regards to SERPs though"

    It is the SERPs angle that is interesting in regard to the experiment of COMPAR, McDar, Foxy, and Alex. Is it the fact that all links are coming from few domains that helped cause the drop in SERPs?

    Does anyone have a stable site (no optimization changes recently) whose SERPs have taken nose dive that might be attributed to multiple links from same site?

    Shannon
     
    Smyrl, Jul 11, 2004 IP