Link exchange sites, getting frustrated

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by east2west, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. #1
    I have joined a couple of link exchange directories. I have found it to be a huge waste of time so far. I get hundreds of link exchange requests that are not related to my site. Also, 90% of the links I agree to exchange with don't put my link on their site, after I have put theirs on mine.

    I also visit the sites that request exchange, and many of them don't even have a working links page.

    Anyone else have this problem?
     
    east2west, Feb 2, 2007 IP
  2. aditya_sfs

    aditya_sfs Peon

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    #2
    Yes you are right. In earlier days, link exchanges seemed to worked, but now the days are gone. Now a days, when we exchange links either the other party doesnt place our links or places it in middle of thousand others, so we dont get the value. Only we see a little increase in backlink count, but quality of backlinks is not there.

    Best thing is to purchase relevant and powerful links.
     
    aditya_sfs, Feb 2, 2007 IP
  3. evossman

    evossman Peon

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    I would maybe stick around these forums and do link exchanges, three way link exchanges work pretty good for getting one way links.

    I'd like some people to start three person three way link exchanges to get unique IP one-way links but it seems this is difficult as i have tried before.
     
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  4. Sadu

    Sadu Peon

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    The problem with link exchanges is the rubbish low quality pages your link ends up on.
    Even if their script is working, and they don't delete your link a week later, it's still a rubbish link.

    If you can get 5-10 good one-way links, this is often better than 1000 generic low quality link exchange links. Don't be afraid to buy links on good sites, and offer people an incentive to link to you. Look for sites related to yours, links with carefully selected anchor text, links within unique content, and links on pages that have lots of good links or pagerank themselves.
    If you spend a whole afternoon on this and come out with 2 or 3 good links on decent sites, you have done ok.

    If your website is nothing special, and it's low PR, and the design isn't all that appealing, then getting good links is going to be difficult.
     
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  5. SeLFiE

    SeLFiE Banned

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    Yeah you are right there...So you better monitor your links to your link partners page as some delete it eventually without you knowing it...
     
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  6. autorave

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    I think forums are better, because you've got an iTrader thing going on .. more ethics involved I guess.
     
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  7. Roxyyo

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    Those exchanges just attract newbie sites that are really desperate and about 5 years behind the times!
     
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  8. jacobkell

    jacobkell Well-Known Member

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    I was even pay 25$ for premium account on link market,and all that for nothing.Good old manual submission is better
     
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    Cryogenius Peon

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    You should try automated exchange programs instead. All exchanges happen automatically, are non-reciprocal, and links are placed on related websites. And no, these are not link farms.

    Cryo.
     
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  10. east2west

    east2west Peon

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    Yeah, I have given up on the link exchange directories I was a part of. The other thing is, once you do agree to a link exchange, many times the owner of the site continously send you exchange requests for the same site over, and over. I guess they hope you will just keep putting the same link on your site again and again.
     
    east2west, Feb 4, 2007 IP
  11. nightwaker

    nightwaker Well-Known Member

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    Link exchange services do not give you quality links. Link-Vault is good system. But links you get are poor quality. Your links will be located on low pr pages with a lot of outbound links to other sites. They make money on selling points. People think that if they buy a lot of points they will receive quality links and their site will rank well. But it is simple marketing trick to make muney from people who are new in seo.

    I guess the best way to get links is article submission,comments of relevant posts on blogs and links from forums
     
    nightwaker, Feb 5, 2007 IP
  12. toomm

    toomm Guest

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    The only link directory that worked for me was link2me.com. They have nice link management tool, you can opt to agree link pages before you accet the link exchange and the presence of the link is verified automatically.
     
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  13. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    I don't know, trading links still can help a little, linksmanger is the best link exchange service, but they don't allow affilate sites

    its like light years ahead of linkmarket

    I still think a reasonable number of related link exchanges are good, and I still see related link exchanges helping old sites in google and the other engines

    I still have sites that rank in google that are total link exchange farms so go figure
     
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  14. eTIME

    eTIME Banned

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    link exchange really not a good idea. i also belive this is time wasting plus now i heard google also don't like link exchange. so its better to get quality one way links.
     
    eTIME, Feb 5, 2007 IP
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    rzvagelsky Well-Known Member

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    #15
    evidence please
     
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    hmpargi Active Member

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    hmmmm arey it is good idea who says it is not :)
     
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  17. Sadu

    Sadu Peon

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    Evidence is a tough thing in this business, so I reckon gut feelings are a better thing to go off.

    If I was google, I'm pretty sure I would discount recips in my algorithm. If it looks spammy (which most link swaps do) then chances are the search engines are actively trying to negate the effect of those links.

    I think the main problem with recip links is not so much the fact that 2 sites link to each other, but the low quality pages that most reciprocal link sites offer.

    It's that standard title + 20-30 word description repeated 150 times on a page called links23.htm with "Links" in the title and heading. Pretty easy to detect really. I could write a script to detect this, and Google has smarter coders than me so you can bet your firstborn child they know how to detect a spammy links page.

    This is just my gut feeling - I haven't proved this as such, but I don't feel the need to. The fact I have not had much success with link swaps, combined with the fact I think they look spammy, and require a tonne of time to manage properly is enough reason to not make this a key part of my SEO strategy.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    no offense but that seems pretty dumb, you can type in search terms and see what the good ranking sites are doing

    and you can buy a domain for next to nothing and test any theory you have out

    so I would say evidence isn't too tough a thing to find
     
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  19. inspireme

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    Try and think of unique ways people will want to link to you, offer something to them for the link, i remember 6 years ago making "award" buttons for my joke site(i was 15) i was sending them to everyone ... they proudly display the award, i get the link... stuff like that doesnt work so well now, but making people WANT to link to you is the aim.
     
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  20. Sadu

    Sadu Peon

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    None taken :)

    What I mean to say is, if you don't want to be constantly tweaking and adjusting your strategy based on what happens to be cool at the time, then you should just do what seems logical because it's more future-proof that way. Admittedly, some people's view on "logical" is a bit of a stretch.

    Don't get me wrong - I have proven many different theories myself, but at the end of the day it still makes sense to design good websites that follow w3c guidelines and have appealing content - ie common sense. This won't rank as well in the short term vs grey hat tricks, but it's less effort to maintain in the long term.

    I did some testing on whether alt tag spam helps a page in the SERPs, and my testing (to my surprise) found that it made no difference*. This "proof" didn't really matter - my gut feeling said that leaving the alt tag spam there was a bad idea.

    So I still don't think it's a dumb point - when you are thinking about doing some trick on your site, sit back and ask "If I was google, would I be able to detect and penalise this?". To think that search engines can't detect the typical links page and devalue is pretty naive, so even if it helps with rankings today, don't expect it to work forever.

    * This was not what you would call conclusive testing, so draw your own conclusions. I inherited a site that was chock full of alt tag spam. I checked the SERPs, removed the alt tags, waited a week or two and checked the SERPs again. The rankings didn't change for better or worse.
     
    Sadu, Feb 7, 2007 IP