Are you an idiot or just trying to look like one? The quote is from the link YOU gave, from doctor gary habermas. A philosopher I might add, not a biologist or a real doctor or something. Really? According to doctor gary habermas: "it has already been acknowledged that none of these persons has actually suffered biological (irreversible) death" Now about that crapola from " Institute of trans-personal psychology " and other "paranormal" institutes: I asked for medical journals, like Lancet and alike, not a paranormal crapola. Since you won't be able to find any, let me help you:
bravo sickearth, it seems that you have totally skipped over the 1993 study and article in the medical journal of documented veridic nde's and instead tried to switch the subject to something that has nothing to do with the evidential experiences proven by veridical nde's from that study. It's ok as it is something that you probably couldn't handle right now. Also if you could perform actually reading with any type of comprehension you would have seen that habermas has been collecting data from people like saban etc etc that are well respected in their fields, but your not alone my friend as you have a few irrational atheists here that are probably trying to get u to take thy foot out of thy mouth. Now if u keep ignoring it that's fine but you are only succeeding in doing what your buddy stox is an expert at which is self denial. What I gave you in the 1993 study is just one example and yet again I brought you the study on the percentage of doctors who believe in god and no comment on it. This is my final post on this subject because it seems you are trying to get me into a circle jerk of you denying and me spoon feeding you more like a baby. If your really interested in the truth habermas will email many more links to documented veridical nde's and the journals that they are in. I have very little time to change your diaper buddy. Remember there is a difference between veridical nde's that can be corraborated by witnesses and other types. They say reading is fundamental but I say that intelligability should be mandatory, now take my advice and study for the asperger quotient exam. Stox was fun but you seem much funnier God bless you my friend Now about that crapola from " Institute of trans-personal psychology " and other "paranormal" institutes: I asked for medical journals, like Lancet and alike, not a paranormal crapola. Since you won't be able to find any, let me help you:[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting that http://iands.org/home.html is a medical journal? It is not. But I loved how they peddle crap books there in their "News" section. "heaven is for real" Story of a 4 year old with a "NDE" I lolled my ass off on that one. --Have you seen God? -- "Yeah, he can actually fit a whole entire world into his hands; "Jesus has a flat but kind face, and blue eyes";; Its just batshit hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVtNzONbaiU And finally, here is a 2010 study for you in case you missed it: """In the new study, researchers investigated whether different levels of oxygen and carbon dioxide—the main blood gases—play a role in the mysterious phenomenon. The team studied 52 heart attack patients who had been admitted to three major hospitals and were eventually resuscitated. Eleven of the patients reported near-death experiences. During cardiac arrest and resuscitation, blood gases such as CO2 rise or fall because of the lack of circulation and breathing. "We found that in those patients who experienced the phenomenon, blood carbon-dioxide levels were significantly higher than in those who did not," said team member Zalika Klemenc-Ketis, of the University of Maribor in Slovenia. Other factors, such a patient's sex, age, or religious beliefs—or the time it took to revive them—had no bearing on whether the patients reported near-death experiences. The drugs used during initial treatment—a suggested explanation for near-death experiences after heart attacks—also didn't seem to correlate with the sensations, according to the study authors. How carbon dioxide might actually interact with the brain to produce near-death sensations was beyond the scope of the study, so for now "the exact pathophysiological mechanism for this is not known," Klemenc-Ketis said. However, people who have inhaled excess carbon dioxide or have been at high altitudes, which can raise the blood's CO2 concentrations, have been known to have sensations similar to near-death experiences, she said.""" PS About that book, this shit gets better and better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJZR9fHa-Zw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3xItrGOi6Q&feature=related "Grandpa had huge wings and a big smile" This is something! Wow! Halleluya! Amen borthers and sisters! P.P.S I wonder why everyone is young in heaven , 20-30 at most? Do they fuck a lot out there?
Let me know if you have to read it (the study) again. I will repost it in other threads in case you'll need it.
Are you suggesting that http://iands.org/home.html is a medical journal? It is not. But I loved how they peddle crap books there in their "News" section. "heaven is for real" Story of a 4 year old with a "NDE" I lolled my ass off on that one. --Have you seen God? -- "Yeah, he can actually fit a whole entire world into his hands; "Jesus has a flat but kind face, and blue eyes";; Its just batshit hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVtNzONbaiU And finally, here is a 2010 study for you in case you missed it: """In the new study, researchers investigated whether different levels of oxygen and carbon dioxide—the main blood gases—play a role in the mysterious phenomenon. The team studied 52 heart attack patients who had been admitted to three major hospitals and were eventually resuscitated. Eleven of the patients reported near-death experiences. During cardiac arrest and resuscitation, blood gases such as CO2 rise or fall because of the lack of circulation and breathing. "We found that in those patients who experienced the phenomenon, blood carbon-dioxide levels were significantly higher than in those who did not," said team member Zalika Klemenc-Ketis, of the University of Maribor in Slovenia. Other factors, such a patient's sex, age, or religious beliefs—or the time it took to revive them—had no bearing on whether the patients reported near-death experiences. The drugs used during initial treatment—a suggested explanation for near-death experiences after heart attacks—also didn't seem to correlate with the sensations, according to the study authors. How carbon dioxide might actually interact with the brain to produce near-death sensations was beyond the scope of the study, so for now "the exact pathophysiological mechanism for this is not known," Klemenc-Ketis said. However, people who have inhaled excess carbon dioxide or have been at high altitudes, which can raise the blood's CO2 concentrations, have been known to have sensations similar to near-death experiences, she said.""" Again sickearth your reporting on nde's that cant be verified which is again changing the subject. IF that person went to heaven and saw Jesus why would u say its bs since Jesus appeared to her in this form. If Jesus is God (and I do believe he is) then he can appear to that child in any form he wants. All of your rediculing doesnt change that. Again I readthe study and it doesnt focus on veridical near death experience. Are you really that dumb? Do you know what qualifies as a veridical nde? The evidence has to be verified by an outside witness to the nde experiencer, such as a patient seeing a show in a remote part of a hospital roof that no one ever knew about and the shoe actually being retrieved by the hospital staff (with a detailed explanation of the shoe by the nde experiencer). What do regular nde's have to do with veridical nde's einstein? Actually iands Journal of Near-Death Studies is the only peer-reviewed scholarly journal (ISSN 0891-4494) devoted exclusively to the field of near-death studies. It is cross-disciplinary and published quarterly. Just because they report a persons personal nde experience doesnt make them quacks does it. They also have a longer experience in nde research then people like pommel. They are actually better then regular medical doctors because they specialize in their field which is specifically nde research. This organization is filled with medical doctors with phd's and they are cross-disciplinary. AsI stated again if the veridical nde's cant be a hallucination if they are backed by outside corroboration can they? Again rediculing peoples experiential experiences isnt going to do much for your case and actually has nothing to do with specific veridical nde experiences, plus your study that you post does little but make you look like a fool because as I will state again veridical nde's are nde's that are backed up by witnesses such as the persons doctor, their family doctor or hospital staff. Iands has a huge jumpstart organizations because of their 30 years experience in the study of nde's . I have read the study twice and all it does is point to hallucinations as an explanation, but a hallucination cannot explain the eyewitness verification of the data that was seen by the patient can it? No matter how many times you jump ship and switch subjects its not gonna change this aspect of a veridical nde and its even different then an out of body experience in that the veridical nde is back by witnesses, OBE's dont neccessarily have to be. ANDDD you still havent responded to the link I posted about the study on percentages of doctors who believe in God or are spiritual. My advice is dont play pingpong if you dont have a paddle hehe Now if im correct you must be from europe (the peer pressure of atheism is showing ) why dont you go back to your buddies and enjoy some carnal pleasures before you blink away into non existence lol The problem with you is that you prescribe to the notion of scientism which says that science is the only way to know truth. Even atheists such as joseph needham have warned about this, that its a very narrow minded worldview .
Very beautiful post, but dont expect atheists to understand the inner wisdom of this here as they dont believe in true love or true life. This post really touched me thank you and God bless you
There is life after death and Islam gives the complete picture of every incident that is going to happen after death, Just see the link: http://poweronics.com/articles.html for an article about this topic.
I am here to live my life as desired by the Almighty Allah and when the time of death will come I will shift to next phase of life.
As Columbus crossed the ocean and discovered land so also the Spirits journey to discover the Everlasting is also possible. Death for the Deniers is the least for the Believers.
Enternal life is there or not that is secondary. In present be good do good. That leads to heaven in present life.
but surely if you kill yourself, that would have been the life allah chose for you. Unless you are claiming your god is not omnipotent i don't see how your actions can overrule his will. See how dumb all this shit is when you just think about it slightly?
I don't believe in life after death, In my opinion human has only one change to do good and bad work.
The reason why you are asking this question is the answer to this question. If there were no life after death than you would not have been asking this question. It is embedded inside each and every human being to believe in the creator, but many deny because they don't want to get bounded by the laws of the creator. When people find themselves in a difficult situation, say it be death in front of them, they start asking to God to save them. But when they are saved they turn away from Him. What is it that makes them believe that only God can save them from dying. It is something preprogrammed in each human being. There are things that we know, but we may deny.
That is really truth that there is a life after death, and I believe on it. This life is the test and preparation for the next life. And death is the process of switching from this life to that immortal life. Soul is immortal and soul transfer from here to there. Current body remains here, and there we will be assigned a new Body by God. That life is the real one. If some one believe that second life is real one, then he will start feeling that every thing here in this world is look like a drama.
The Unknown As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know. —Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing - Donald Rumsfeld
body without soul im living now if it would be the reincarnation after death, i wanted to be the president lol