Lebanese President Calls for Ending Occupation of Shibaa Farms and Kafr Shuba Hills

No. I guess you're missing the point. It's done because irrational people are being irrational. You have to be pretty screwed up to shoot rockets at people. Right? It's a matter of preventing casualties from irrational dogma, which resorts to rocket attacks and other "irrational" forms of attacks (suicide bombings). I hope you understand.

They lost that privilege when they decided to be irrational.

The rockets were flying long before the occupation. At least now they're not crashing into innocent civilians homes while they watch television or while children are doing their homework.

 

no i do not understand. what is so irrational for them wanting their land and homes back. they have the right to resist ocupation. all israel has to do is return their land, but they don't. they want to run them out. we have already talked about "transfer" in this forum

it is their right to live in any rule that they want. who took their right away. what is the previlage that you talk about.

if i prove that occupation started before the rockets then what. you do not know what you are talking about.
i have never came across of some one with such lack of understanding on the issue that they are talking about.
here is the palestanian position on most of these issues.
if you want to act like the judge then hear the other side and study it and make a judgment. you are poorly informed at the level of ignorance. lets see if you watch the video or just choose to be uninformed
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...peace+promised+land&ei=JDdQSKOSOojI-gGd-5G7DA

 

When you attack someone, try to kill innocent civilians and have the destruction of Israel as the core of what you want to do, you lose that chance.

I suppose they "can" resist, I'm not sure about a "right" to do it. I don't really care. Israel should move the heavy tanks in, run over the government and occupy it for the next 300 years. At least than the irritational will be hunted down and handled. Women will get their rights, gays will get their rights.

lol, It's like I'm talking to someone that excuses injustice. When you do something bad, there are consequences. If I killed my wife, I'd goto jail. No matter how pissed off I am in jail, that's where I'm going to be. Same thing here. You attack civilians for the sake of genocidal hatred, than you better accept the consequences of it.

Israel did.

I don't think can "prove" it since they've been battling since the creation of Israel.

No, it's not a lack of understanding. It's just I stand up for what is right and just. If you want to stand up for people that hate women and want to ethnically cleanse Jews, than that just shows everyone your character.

 

did you watch the video.
occupation started at the time of creation of israel.
we also have talked about "transfer" which is a form of ethnic cleansing.
israel has used tanks for 60 years it is time to give them " occupied territory" back and make peace

 

take a prozac and come back when you are ready to discuss rationaly. watch the video also

 

stop your nonsense. majority of people of israel are in favor of a peace agreement and return of all or most of the occupied territory. who do you represent, the settlers or the christian zionists. little hagee, do you belive hitler was doing the gods work also.
as far as arabs attacking israel at the beginning and israel winning these wars. i have to remind you that occupation always start with winning the war after the war the winner can not settle the land they are occupying or transfer its civilian.
Israel can choose to annex the territories and give palestanian citizenship.i can agree with that.
and as far as genocide ,it is you that want to send the tanks.
my objection to israeli policy has nothing to do with religion. stop hiding behind the jewish religion and people and face my question honestly. dont be such a coward
By the way "transfer" refers to israeli right wing wanting to remove all palestanians out of west bank [is this what triggered your episode]

 

This is confusing to me. If, as you claim, the occupation started at the time of creation of Israel you essentially saying that Israel itself is occupied territory. If that is your position, the clearly your second statement is not accurate.

This is becoming a pattern with your recent posts. A purposeful posting of half-truths or omission of facts which are necessary to make your points accurate. One only need to look at how ThraXed took your post on Iran out of context (because that was how you posted it) and tries to use it to support what it does not support.

 

NO when israel declared itself an independent state those areas seized to be occupied. it became israel. if israel chooses to annex the rest of the west bank then it is also no longer an occupied land and it becomes israel. that is an option. i want the misery of these people ended.i do not care about their nationality. I support the two state solution because both israel and palestanians express desire to go that route. I fully support a unilateral dwclareation of annexing all the west bank. o also support israel puts its solution directly to the palestanians for a vote, bypassing all the negotiations
but this would only work if they actually give them enough to make a successful state

i have a totally different goal than him and you see that i immediately corrected him. i agree that i always post purposeful posts. it is designed to get the agreement on both side. I do confront the israeli side more than the arabs, because israel is a democracy so these people have a vote. also they have to give up more. if i can convince them and show them that they can live in peace i actually make a difference.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/991802.html
i am not the only one.

 

lol, sorry I do not want to be mean, but yes, the occupation started when Israel was established, this is the full truth, not 1/4 or 1/3 or 1/2 the turth, and Arabs in Madrid 1991, recognized Israel, not because it was legal but because they wanted to see an end for the conflict with the two states solution, which obviously did not work, and won't work cos Israel always want more more more, you have the right to disagree, its up to you but you should not terrorize others for saying their opinions no matter how you disagree or hate them,,

the good way and I have told you this many times, to reply is not by terrorizing the person, but by refuting, here is an example:

I say the occupation started when Israel was first established, this is a fact.

if you think else, show your proof, discuss, make your points, about the above, not about my person, or my friends, or my religion, or my neighbors, or what Taliban did in Afghanistan, or what Muslims traditions are in India, or what is metzitzeh b'peh in Jewish tradition.... why do you think its legal? or why do you think that the occupation started after 1948 not in 1948? or why to go far? do you think there is occupation? who is occupying who?

 

Are you accusing me of terrorizing people by asking questions and expressing my opinions? If my replies on Digital Point meet your definition of terror, then I see why don't agree on what constitutes an occupation.

Moreover, I don't really care what you personally think. You are free to believe what you will about Israel. I am not trying to convince or prove anything to you. I try to point out issues to be considered by people. You can take them or leave them - as every reader of these threads is free to do.

 

Seriously, you should get some history classes before posting such nonsense.

 

YES I am, the way I see people acting after your posts says so, from saying their opinions to defending their own persons, this says a lot for me and yes I call it terrorizing, can't find better word to describe it,

you have the right to disagree, and ask about the issue, not to make really low and cheap comments like.. "anti-semitic" .. "This is becoming a pattern with your recent posts" .. "you are pathetic" .. "you are fool" .. "half truth"

occupation started when Israel was established, feel free to disagree, feel free to call this half truth, but expect to be asked to show full truth, and its much better to show what you think is the full truth than making comments like the above!

 

it is true that i made this statement softer that i could have. it was because i want to get an agreement not a fight. but i stand by it as there is nothing i said that i don't agree with.
i think i can even spin it a little and imad and iggy will accept it also

 

I disagree with some of your posts but I respect them much because they are on the topic, not on the person who posted about the topic, I have no respect for browntwn's posts, specially when he says "half truth" to imply that he knows the full truth (without showing it) and that the other person is not qualified to give an opinion.

I still hope browntwn will come and enlighten us with his knowledge about the occupation issue.

 

thanks
please express your disagreements.
i am ready to hear a lot of no before any yes

 

I respect pizzaman post too. On post pizzaman trying to be on topic, and open to discussions.

israel wants more lands. Today they are planing invasion, occupation of Gaza, too sad

 

Hi !!!

Enlighten us, oh master of knowledge.

Proof?

 

Israel with its long history of terrorism, occupation, and assassination, demolishing houses, targeting civilians, and torturing is not a democracy, surly Arabs in West Bank and Gaza won't accept to live under such lunatic regime,

for a while Arabs supported the two states solution, but I believe that Arabs should stop dreaming of a peaceful solution, since Israel did not yet declare clear boundaries, they hope they can get more, and since the initiatives and solutions proposed by Arabs been all rejected and the long years of negotiations resulted in nothing, there should be a step back to point zero, and Arab should press on their Governments to withdraw their recognition in the so called Israel because the bases on which this solution been put on table are no longer valid.

If the West is feeling guilty for what they did with the Jews then they should fix what they did and open their doors for them instead of throwing them on Arabs who originally had no problem with them, this is how I see it will work, those illegal immigrant who came since before 1948 should go back to their countries, and those who been expelled in 1948 should go back to their country.

 

take it you need it. just follow your post here. no logic at all only anxiety

polls. articles i have read. members on this forum. peace process. news. why? you do not think israelis want to give back the land?

this sentence is the proof. how is peace and giving back the occupied land equals genocide. how is this rational thinking. go ahead and represent

this kind of blindness is usually indicative of two groups.

yes you did. international and UN laws

are you israeli? i am going to be hard on you but i think it is good for you just stay rational and i show you.

it was a few post ago that you were promoting it.

to who? explain how so i can show you why and where you are wrong.

i thought jews were people of peace. here is where you surely needs your prozac.
jews and muslem have been living together for thousands of years. nobody wants to arm the palastanians or disarm israel. palestanians are living there anyway. do you really want to say that millions of people have to live like this because israelis are worried. show me rational.? game plan.
the current situation is not working and is not acceptable.

 

I agree and amen..