leaving COOP now, not good, but have to

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by visioninfotech, May 24, 2006.

  1. jamjv

    jamjv Peon

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    #21
    I had a bunch of sites drop in weight but all of the sites that dropped did have dup content. All of them were amazon/shareasale portals that had been doing great in the coop for maybe a year so I guess I can't complain.
     
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  2. ViciousSummer

    ViciousSummer Ayn Rand for President! Staff

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    #22
    Not really. Isn't it Google that is having the problem?

    If I understand what is going on (Google showing less pages per site when the site command is used), then everyones weight has dropped. If everyone weight has dropped then we're all still getting the same amount of impressions. Am I wrong here?!
     
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    SEO Jeff Active Member

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    #23
    I believe also the Google API is having some major issues also at the moment. I wish all 3 engines would be in use instead of just Google for total weight calculation though.
     
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  4. OnSEO

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    #24
    No.. If google is having problems then COOP is having problems too.

    I am still receiving large amounts of traffic for now, and other people in the coop are benefiting from my pages that are still indexed. These pages are still ranking for the targeted terms as well.

    But with my low coop weight, this will soon be a bad situation for the site. The reason is because my coop weight is low and I am not going to have as many backlinks.

    In my opinion this will hurt the whole coop not matter what weight you have now.

    And say for instance.. This Google issue is/was just a test to identify sites in links networks that use Google to determine weight. Wouldn't it be better to have a weight system that couldn't be controlled by Google. :rolleyes:
     
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  5. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #25
    Yes. You're wrong.

    You're correct that Google is having a problem. You're incorrect to believe that the Coop is NOT having a problem.

    There is no longer any doubt that the site: query is messed up in Google. But it isn't messed up in a way that affects all sites equally. Some have seen little or no effect. Others have seen drastic effects.

    That means for Coop members some are being heavily penalized and others less so... hence the suggestion to weight sites in a different way.
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #26
    The odd thing is if I do a "Site" command in Google I see much different results than the Coop does. That is what may lead some to believe there is a "Coop problem".
     
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  7. OnSEO

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    #27
    It still isn't fair for me to show 70 thousand pages with COOP on it, that still get traffic from Google. Then not get a proper return.

    So where is Shawn (aka Master of the weight) at.. I think it is time to hear his thoughts and what he is going to do about it. If anything.
     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #28
    Honestly no one really knows what Shawn's parameters are for determining weight, and I doubt it is really anyones business. So, I guess I need to clarify my post. I hesitate to say the coop is broken, (actually I do not think I ever said it was). What I am saying is that when I poll all the data centers via my scripts, I see much different results.

    So that said, I have no idea if the coop takes and average of all the DC's, or polls a specific DC that seems to have less indexed pages then the ones I am polling.

    Either way, there does appear to be a condenses that something is a bit amiss.
     
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  9. ViciousSummer

    ViciousSummer Ayn Rand for President! Staff

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    #29
    Actually, I just comfirmed with Shawn that I was right. Can any one say that their weight has *not* decreased?
     
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  10. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #30
    He's only saying that because you're his sister. :) And you have a gun. :eek:

    That's not the question. Are you (or Shawn) able to say with any degree of certainty that all sites have been equally affected by what's going on with Google?
     
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  11. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #31
    I have seen an 80% decrease.
     
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  12. ViciousSummer

    ViciousSummer Ayn Rand for President! Staff

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    #32
    Yes. Feel free to prove me wrong. :)
     
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  13. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #33
    Well, I haven't been a Coop member since last fall. I do know the Google issues aren't affecting all sites equally. However, I don't know exactly how Shawn calculates weight so I'll take your word for it - perhaps he has some way of compensating for that.
     
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  14. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #34
    Wow, you people just love to waste your time walking in circles.

    Why is everyone blaming the coop and asking Shawn to "fix" it? Why does everyone keep talking about google and pretending that the coop is some kind of SEO tool? The coop is an advertising network. When people start talking about rankings and google and stuff like that you are just showing that you are using the coop in a wrong way.

    Agreed.
     
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  15. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #35
    Oh, please... :rolleyes:
     
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    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #36
    Wow, that was a great rebuttal *yawn*
     
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  17. Dekker

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    #37
    The problem is not all sites have seen a drop in indexed pages..for example DP is well above the 1.5 million mark...

    where as other sites such as soompi.com, which is a MUCH LARGER forum than DP

    Our members have made a total of 1,770,754 posts
    We have 48,207 registered members

    991 user(s) active in the past 15 minutes at freaking 2 am

    has 59 000 indexed...they were 2-3 million a few months before
     
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  18. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #38
    For all you know, svz, digitalpoint could be getting 100 weight right now
     
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  19. Dekker

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    #39
    Well yeah, because he doesn't have the Co-Op code on the forums, duh :p

    What I'm saying is this site:query problem isn't affecting all sites equally.

    If it were we could easily determine a ratio between previous indexed numbers and current
     
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  20. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #40
    Don't forget that the real page could is provided by the API, and we all know that amount has always had crazy fluctuations. A site with 100,000 indexed pages could only have 100 via the API
     
    fryman, May 25, 2006 IP