Kyrgyzstan violence sees Muslims killing Muslims: Muslim nations not providing aid

It is not my problem that you are not capable to understand simple concepts. I try to simplify it so even you understand.

1) Many countries in the world are dictatorships.
2) many of these dictatorships are controlled by USA.
3) Intellectual in these countries want the same freedoms as people in USA and Europe.
4) Governments of these countries put the opposition in prisons and also kills them because they want change and freedom and not because they hate freedom.

 

Do you normally restate your position when asked for facts to back it up? Is this another statement of your intelligence?

 

GWorld: Glad you have the opportunity to travel and do so now. I did it more extensively when I was younger. I'm a crappy traveler. I do very little now.

When I traveled my favorite thing was to spend time with locals. Everyone everywhere wants better conditions. Nice working people in communities around the world do their work, take care of their families, strive to do better. The intellectuals might articulate "change" positions. The working people would embrace it if they could.

IMO Ahmadinejad's comments aren't stupid. They are deeply irresponsible, provocative and the kinds of things that lead to conflict. That means war. He is the leader. His comments reflect a way he is trying to change opinions and cause actions.

When ignorant hate filled people of no importance or power make comments about the holocaust such as those by Ahmadinejad it has far less import than when a national leader does so. Its provocative, dangerous, and lying for horrendous political reasons. It provokes further violence. Its way beyond stupid. Its irresponsible at the highest level.

As to restrictive laws in the US. Yup we have them. We also have a long history of changing them over time. It has taken decades and centuries. The changes continue.

I am aware that the US govt efforts to create an economic embargo on Iran don't work. There were recent steps through the UN to increase the embargo. Iran will probably work around them.

 

Pizzaman: I respect your opinions. I see you as a writer who strives for peace in many of your comments. I don't agree with all of them. I respect them, though.

b) What is my suggestion? First I don't claim to have all the answers. So many here do just that. Nobody has all the answers. Having all the answers is a definition of God, or a God. Nobody here is God.

Here are my current observation. I think Israel and curently Fatah could make some level of peace. Israel cannot make peace with an entity dedicated to its death and destruction. Palestinians within the West Bank are subject to influence and infiltration from such as hamas, hezbollah, and those that would want israel destroyed. Therefore there must be an incredibly powerful and effective policing or independant military force that would be empowered to root out and destroy any such elements that infiltrated the Palestinians within the West Bank. I do not know and doubt the international community has the willpower or capability of establishing such a force.

2. The Israeli's must give up territory. They must destroy Orthodox jewish settlements. They will suffer internally in doing so. They did it before when dismantling Orthodox Jewish settlements in Gaza. They can do it again. I suspect the anger level within Israel will exceed that which was present when Israel dismantled Gazan settlements. I suspect Israeli's will kill Israeli's in the process it would be hard.

C. When I cited that analysis on deaths since WWII it had nothing to do with the Arab/Israeli situation. There is a totally independant school of history. It points out that the violence and killing in the latter half of the 20ieth century was similarly violent to the first half of the 20th century, during which there were 2 world wars and horrible death and destruction. The total amounts of killing and deaths in the 2nd half of that century is staggering and grotesque, isn't it? The coincidence from that school of thought is simply that the Israeli/Arab conflict coincides with the latter part of the 20th century.

D. I believe all lives have similar value. I don't believe that Islamic national leaders value the lives of their people. I don't believe that the fundamentalist Islamics that sponsor violence value the lives of other Muslims. I don't believe the Chinese Communists that evidently killed 40 million of their own people valued the lives of their people either.

Frankly, I don't believe Dick Cheney valued American lives either.

 

earl: i also respect your opinion and believe in your sense of fairness
first of all i must say that i completely agree with your argument on point d
as far as muslem killing muslem, although it is true and disappointing to me, but it is being used just like the black crime on black was used to justify discrimination in a lot of circles. i oppose these like i oppose any killing and murder. but i also oppose discrimination.
as far as what i see the problem is that the extremists on all side and religious and nationalist zealots on all side, have taken control of the conversation. this is not only true in israeli/palestanian conflict but on almost all conflicts in the world. they are pushing us toward a very dangerous situation and it must be stopped.
specially in a forum like this that there are so many young people from around the world, with such powerful tool as internet, we the moderate and peace loving people, although in minority, must win. we must find similarity rather than differences, and build on understanding rather than conflict. we must win the argument. the alternative is very ugly.

 

People keep asking about # of deaths during WWI and WWII. Here is a reference for WWI :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

Here is a reference for WWII: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

 

These references made your previous arguments vague as you were saying Muslim killing Muslim deaths are far more than any other!

 

and here is a little every day piece of info from the news.

Just some every day examples of Muslims killing Muslims.....http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/29/iraq.violence/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

Wonder who in the Islamic world is going to condemn this?

 

How strange and incredible, when a country is occupied by a foreign army and there is a civil war going on, people actually kill each other. They should put this discovery in front page of all the newspapers and web sites.

 

The worst suicide bombing in 2010 so far just occurred in Pakistan. Over 100 Pakistani Muslims including women and children were bombed to smithereens by Muslim terrorists.

Any of the terrorist supporters want to extol this act of benevolence?

 

I will. It is wrong and it needs to stop. Those within the Muslim community who promote violence against anyone need to be ostracized as the evil doers they are. They should be removed from the Muslim community like a stain.

 

It is wrong and it needs to stop. Those within the American community who promote violence against anyone need to be ostracized as the evil doers they are. They should be removed from the American community like a stain.

Let´s start with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, little willy, mindlessnation,...

 

They are going to get stuck that way.

 

Any Islamic terrorist supporters want to defend this act? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703283004575363421023828364.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Over 70 innocent people watching the World Cup were slaughterd by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War

Total killed: 22,382 (December 2006–July 2010)

Oh damn christians killing christians how sad, such a backward religion and everything [/blahblah]

 

Do you really believe the people killed by Mexican drug gangs are religiously motivated, or even religiously related?

 

Of course I don't. That's why this thread is a joke. Everyone lunatic has his self-justified reason for the killings and it is very rarely truely religious. Some militant groups may use religion as a recruitment tool but they are after power through money, oil, diamonds, drugs, authority or whatever is valuable in their habitat just like the drug war. This is an ethnic dispute for example, nothing to do with religion. When the subject is a Muslim it is all "Muslims killing Muslims" and pasting verses from the Koran and things like that like in this very topic, which is nothing but bigotry. That's what I tried to point out.

 

Leo: from my perspective Mexicans killing 22,000+ Mexicans is indeed ugly. OTOH; the Mexican killers aren't claiming that their actions represent some religious calling.

But Mexicans are killing Mexicans. I'm not visiting Mexico any time soon...and I've been there quite a few times. Its dangerous. Mexicans are killing Mexicans.

Muslims are likewise slaughtering Muslims around the globe. The killing fanatics use their religion as justification. They slaughter non-Muslims when they have the chance, as in Uganda.

Essentially, the Islamic world doesn't condemn it. So it continues. It will continue until the Islamic world itself starts applying the pressure to squash the fundamentalist terrorists. There is a teeny evidence that certain elements within Muslim society and in Islamic lands is starting to address this issue...but this process is yet to take root in a serious and effective way.