Kucinich is done

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by tarponkeith, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. #1
    Just found this on CNN POLITICS: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

    Kucinich is ending his bid for the white house...

    Personally, I believe he was in a position to take a lot of votes, but just didn't get his name out there enough...
     
    tarponkeith, Jan 24, 2008 IP
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    He's out of step with his party unfortunately, and spent a lot of time focused on the Hill, when he should have been campaigning harder.

    It's sad to see a guy who ran in 2004, not be able to start with a stronger base in 2008.
     
    guerilla, Jan 24, 2008 IP
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    Wow I thought he ducked out earlier than this.
     
    smatts9, Jan 24, 2008 IP
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    According to big media I don't think he ever was in the race to start with. It's too bad because I think if Democrats actually just voted on the issues Kucinich would have ran away with the nomination. But it doesn't seem to be about issues, does it?
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #5
    I really like Kucinich. Maybe he will run again next time.:)
     
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    The campaign is about issues. The divide between Hillary and Obama is a lot about universal health care and how they implement it. Also their historical stance on the Iraq war.

    People just refuse to accept that the majority of Americans don't agree with Kucinich's views. Same with Ron Paul. Ron Paul wants to stop getting involved in foreign affairs. The majority of Americans realize the importance of being involved in the world. We wanted to stay out of WWII but the fight found us. We realized then that if we want to avoid problems we need to be working with countries before there's a problem. That's why the UN was formed.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    I totally disagree. The campaigns are totally about media censorship. Paul and Kucinich are two of the most stand up Congressmen in the House, and they get little time to speak, little media attention, and marginalized in debates.

    It's intentional, consistent and blatant.

    The majority of the people didn't not agree with the American Revolutionaries until Thomas Paine published and distributed Common Sense.

    WWII found us because we had an oil sanctions on Japan while they were at war. As a technical point, sanctions are an act of war. There has been a lot of emerging evidence that American entrance into WWII was not entirely because of the response at Pearl Harbor. That was merely the event that swung public opinion, like how 9/11 swung public opinion to attack Iraq, when the policy of regime change was set by Clinton in 1998, and according to Paul O'Neill, was the first order of business when Bush took office, months before 9/11.

    Again, the documents and facts are out there.
     
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    Kucinich is a good guy. I think some big problems with his campaign were with the media (yeah, a lot of people know it, the rest have heard it but choose to ignore it) and also with his campaign workers... (more on a personal level) I was in charge of Purdue's Campus for Kucinich and I signed up to receive the campus packs to get really proactive on campus. I got an email saying they would send it, didn't come. I got a phone call asking if I was still interested in receiving the stuff, didn't come.

    They actually called yesterday asking if we would be willing to make another donation, but we aren't in the financial position at the time to make a donation.

    :'(
     
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    That's a shame. :(

    He had a great view about getting the poor American Turkeys out of Iraq and Afghanistan. He would have saved many lives but it will be back to the same ole Bushes and Clinton's and Clinton's and Bushes and Bushes and Clinton's ruining the world.

    How on earth have we let it come to the stage whereby 2 corrupt families have been in charge of the USA since 1981?

    What a disastrous state the USA is in. :(
     
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    I guess you feel that American lives are worth more than Arab lives. There's a word for that: racism.

    If you're that concerned about Hillary getting into the White House then you need to stop supporting the loser Ron Paul and start supporting Obama. The 5% that Ron Paul is getting could put Obama over the top since it's such a close race.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Do you feel that Israeli and Arab lives are equal in value?

    Paulunteers will for the most part, not back Obama. He's just another spin on the same old, same old. One only has to listen to his stump speeches, to realize it is a lot of populist nonsense, that isn't backed up by his voting record.

    To be a candidate of change, you've got to be courageous. Voting with the herd shows a lack of independent thought and courage.
     
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    Is there a discrepency somewhere?

    Ron Paul is going to lose. So if you want to sit by a watch Hillary get the nomination then fine. It's your own fault if she gets in the White House. You could have supported Obama.

    You need to start supporting a candidate that actually has a chance of beating the candidate you absolutely do not want and you better start soon because by February 5th it's pretty much all over.

    On the democrat side your choices (whether you like it or not) are Obama or Clinton. On the Republican side you have Romney and McCain.

    So pick the one you like the least and figure out who you need to support to help keep them out of office.
     
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    Not a definitive answer, that's the discrepancy I am seeing.

    Nonsense. It's the fault of the people who have voted for and enabled her.

    Not going to support the lesser of two evils any longer. This is why our politics are so screwed up. People don't vote for the best candidate, they vote to block a bad candidate with momentum.

    Time to stop seeing elections as moments of time, frozen and separate from the future. This election is about building for the future, regardless of whether Clinton gets in or not, we're going to have Clinton-esque policy.

    Lesser of two evils. Sorry. I'm going to vote my conscience. Tired of picking from the handful we are told to pick from.
     
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    Some people want to go down with the ship. So be it. I am happy to not have their influence in deciding the potential next president.

    I'll bet most of these guys won't admit that in the general election they will either not vote or will end up voting for one of the people they have ridiculed. Seriously, when Ron Paul is not on the ballot who are they going to vote for?

    Or I guess, some will waste a vote on someone not on the ballot. Of course, that is as lame as Obama voting present to avoid participating in the tough decisions.
     
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    If there's no discrepency then the answer should be obvious and it's a dumb question. If you see a discrepency somewhere then lay it out. Is the US doing something that you think makes it seem they value Israelis more than some other people? If you think supporting Israel somehow makes one support the life of an Israeli more than the life of an Arab then you're an idiot.

    What have I ever said that would lead you to think your question was not stupid?

    Have you stopped beating your wife? Do you value the life of an Arab more than the life of a Chinese person?

    Would you like to waste more time with more dumb questions?

    Some are planning to write his name in.

    Ron Paul was stupid enough to say in the debate that he supports liberty and the constitution. As though he's the only candidate that does. It was as impressive of a statement as pointing out he has a nose.
     
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    Who says Ron Paul is not going to be on the ballot? ;)

    First he would have to lose the GOP nomination that is up in the air. :rolleyes:

    There are more parties than the Dems and GOP with 50 state ballot access.
     
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    You're right. There's always a chance that Kucinich will call down his alien friends to murder the rest of the Republican candidates.
     
    KalvinB, Jan 25, 2008 IP
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    Yes. Do you need a list?

    Sometimes my questions are good enough to get you to add me to your ignore list.

    No, and I haven't really thought about it a lot. I would probably be a pretty big liar if I didn't say that I value some peoples' lives over others.

    Sure, I got nowhere to be until 5:00.

    Name one another candidate who supports the Constitution and individual liberty please.
     
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    I'm going to need a list. Baseless statements don't mean anything.

    All of them. Name a position for each of the candidates (besides Ron Paul of course) that shows that they seek to undermine the constitution.

    Are you prejudice against bacon?

    That almost relates to a question which bases your preference solely on race. Do you believe we need more sunshine?
     
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    Darfur < Israel

    We'll start with that one.

    Mitt Romney - Gun Control in Massachusetts, supports Presidential line item Veto, Income Tax

    John McCain - 1st Amendment, McCain-Feingold, Income Tax

    Rudy Giuliani - Gun Control, Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Income Tax etc.

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    Hillary Clinton - Gun Control, Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, welfare state, Income Tax

    Barack Obama - Gun Control, HR 1955, welfare state, Income Tax

    I would say I am prejudiced for bacon. Bacon and Egg sandwich for dinner sounds good.

    Didn't understand this. We always need more sunshine.
     
    guerilla, Jan 25, 2008 IP