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Keyword ranking tool/ updates & PR

Discussion in 'Google' started by fluke, Jun 23, 2004.

  1. leo

    leo Peon

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    peterjohnston917 Peon

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    #42
    Thanks expat,
    on one of my sites (main one)...on all our keywords....we are not even in the top 1000 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Think we need some help???
    Pete
     
    peterjohnston917, Jun 25, 2004 IP
  3. fluke

    fluke Guest

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    #43
    oh - i've remembered my question now ...

    "allinanchor search" has been mentioned a few times in this thread....

    what exactly is an allinanchor search - and what use has it got?

    i presume its something to do with keywords in incoming links - or something like that.

    anyone?
     
    fluke, Jun 25, 2004 IP
  4. expat

    expat Stranger from a far land

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    #44
    well there is a forum here where you can ask to have your web site looked at (make sure you wear a hardhat and a bottle sometimes helps).

    Keep reading and asking
    M
     
    expat, Jun 25, 2004 IP
  5. peterjohnston917

    peterjohnston917 Peon

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    #45
    Well folks...now asking for some help!!!!! please have a look..and see what you think...bearing in mind we are still working on it...all comments welcomed.... well ish LOL
     
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  6. expat

    expat Stranger from a far land

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    #46
    Sums it up nicely.

    It has a magical psycological effect, people link to high pr without realy checking the site for suitability etc if it has an 8 it must be good and they will fall over themseves to oblidge for the potential of getting a link back.

    Thus one starts to have real power over the anchor text, link positioning etc.

    G SERPS are presently powered by anchor text / links and content. PR main effect is just as above. All things equal it may be used but they never are in the competitive area.

    A client site has doubled visible G links from 400 - 800 due to a link startegy to small new sites that now have achieved decent PR.

    The links have always been there and seen by G and factored in thus there was no significant movement in the SERPS of G.

    There is discussion about link maturity going on and this may well be a factor but on sites that permanently add links (out in triangular) this is not realy noticable.

    Just to throw in the spanner don't forget there are other SE's.
    It is noticable (at least by us) that on tech oriented sites G is winning where on consumer oriented sites Y is realy pushing into G's share.
    M
     
    expat, Jun 25, 2004 IP
  7. expat

    expat Stranger from a far land

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    #47
    ... allinanchor is sort of a way to see where your site "could be" if you play your cards correctly. There are some variables involved like the on-site content, your competition, and the age of the site.....
    M

    PS have fun here http://www.mcdar.net/dance/index.php
     
    expat, Jun 25, 2004 IP
  8. WilliamC

    WilliamC Well-Known Member

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    #48
    Uhhh what?

    PageRank is developed COMPLETELY from links. PR has nothing to do with a page or its content AT ALL.

    Lets see...

    Quote from Phil Cravens PageRank Paper:

    To calculate the PageRank for a page, all of its inbound links are taken into account. These are links from within the site and links from outside the site.

    PR(A) = (1-d) + d(PR(t1)/C(t1) + ... + PR(tn)/C(tn))

    That's the equation that calculates a page's PageRank. It's the original one that was published when PageRank was being developed


    Now, I surely do not see anything there saying content or context has anything at all to do with the PR computation, do you?
     
    WilliamC, Jun 25, 2004 IP
  9. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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  10. WilliamC

    WilliamC Well-Known Member

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    #50
    correct, you could block google completely via .htaccess and it would still know about the page by it's links and be able to calculate PR based on that as content and anything else on-page has nothing to do at all with pagerank.

    .
     
    WilliamC, Jun 25, 2004 IP
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    SanDiego Active Member

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    #51
    Does anyone know of a web tool that can find all the keywords that bring up your site? almost like a backwards keyword tracker? I noticed people typed in fragments of words and my site came up but it happened to be completely unrelated. I'd like to see if there is a way that I can view every keyword that puts my domain in the top say ummm.... 100 search results. :confused:

    Any ideas?
     
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    WilliamC Well-Known Member

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    #53
    thanks for your answers expat..

    let me see if i get this one:
    an allinanchor search brings up the results as they would be if only links/ link text were used to calculate ranking - so it kind of shows what results you would have if you did your on site optimisation correctly?

    o and cheers for the link to the McDar thingy - i noticed a couple my site was doing quite well -on two of the datacenters which it uses for the allinanchor search- is it possible these were uk googles only searching the uk sites (like the function google.co.uk has)
    so if i sorted my onsite optimisation i could acheive that position?
     
    fluke, Jun 26, 2004 IP
  14. fluke

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    #54
    looks like a good tool that william

    it's a shame to know my best rankings are for "shelling grounds" , "vegetation bordered"

    and best of all "clubhouse visitors" :(


    I imagine that tool will come in very handy in the future - thanks :)
     
    fluke, Jun 26, 2004 IP
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    #55
    It's an Ok tool. Hit most of the terms I target. If you designed or developed your page for predetermined keywords you should not find many surprises on this tool.
     
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    WilliamC Well-Known Member

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    SEO Am, I actually made that tool to give SEO's an easy way to see where potential clients are already ranked so you could easily show them how you could help them in the engines.
     
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    Bernard Well-Known Member

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    Your web server (referrer) logs will tell you all the search terms that are driving traffic to your site.
     
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    For that application... an excellent tool. :cool:
     
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    #59
    While that statement is true it is also confusing. Google uses all your internal links, or navigation, as part of the PR calculation also. So you can have a page with a good PR based almost exclusively on the internal links.

    It is the combination of IBL and internal links that determine PR ranking and to block the bots from crawling your page throws away all the PR value of these internal links. I can only imagine doing so under very special circumstances.
     
    compar, Jun 27, 2004 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #60
    Right, but there is nothing on page that determines that page's PageRank (at least directly). You could of course link to a page that links back to you to get some PR back, but that's not my point...

    Bottom line is Google can determine PageRank of a page without even knowing the contents of that page.
     
    digitalpoint, Jun 27, 2004 IP