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Kenyan couple held for having sex in mosque

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by niceboy, Oct 15, 2006.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #81
    Well, "Jew" is not a race. So I am a bit miffed by your anti-semite comment. I never said you were a Jew. I merely suggested you should convert. :rolleyes:
     
    Mia, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #82
    Welcome to Team Rat! Have a piece of cheese. :D
     
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  3. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #83
    As opposed to yours.

    It would be interesting to know what kind of "ethics" they are, "friend".

    Well I do not think that the man in the video was a member of the Taliban and even if he was, this was certainly not officially sanctioned by the Taliban. I find the video "evidence" doubtful, after watching it myself several times.

    - MENJ
     
    Ibn Juferi, Nov 1, 2006 IP
  4. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #84
    And I already have informed you that I do not qualify genetically. I am not a blood-relative or related in any way to a member of the family of the Children of Israel :rolleyes: And pointing out this simple fact makes me an "anti-Semite"? Sheesh. What do you think the Arabs are, then? Non-Semites?

    - MENJ
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #85
    You don't have to be part of some blood line to be Jewish, anymore than you have to be part of some bloodline to be Muslim.

    I was raised Catholic. Are you saying I am a race too?

    How did you become such a race bating, hateful ignorant person?
     
    Mia, Nov 1, 2006 IP
  6. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #86
    Whoops! Edited to say: What Mia said. He beat me to it. As you would know, Menj - coming from Malaysia, and not Saudi Arabia.
     
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  7. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #87
    So, even though Talibanic Civic code specifically provides for the very executions you witnessed (apparently, finally, witnessed after a month, without acknowledging anything about your viewing, though you breathlessly asked for the evidence provided), the beating of women on the streets for crimes such as not wearing socks, etc.; the man putting the gun to the head of the woman and pulling the trigger was dressed in Talibanic Clerical wear, and the stadium was filled with clerics and laymen, men all, cheering them on - though this was all officially sanctioned by the Taliban, this was not, uh, officially sanctioned by the Taliban?

    Hahahahah - you're the best, friend. Keep them coming, always good for a laugh.
     
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  8. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #88
    Last I checked only those who are of the "Jacobian line" are Jews.

    And what does this have to do with anything?

    And what does this have to do with whether I am anti-Semite or not?

    - MENJ
     
    Ibn Juferi, Nov 2, 2006 IP
  9. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #89
    I wonder how do you define "Talibanic clerical wear"? All the Afghans wear those "Talibanic clerical wear" which you sweepingly mentioned! Even the Northern Alliance do. For all you know, the people in there could have been members of the NA.

    Again, you don't have any evidence apart from stereotyping.

    - MENJ
     
    Ibn Juferi, Nov 2, 2006 IP
  10. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #90
    So you are saying that Sammy Davis JR. was part of a "Jacobian line"
     
    Mia, Nov 2, 2006 IP
  11. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #91
    Anyone can become a Jew, even you Menj!
     
    Will.Spencer, Nov 3, 2006 IP
  12. northpointaiki

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    #92
    You're right, that was weak, which I will acknowledge whenever I employ same.

    In truth, this dance with you is ludicrous. You will point to datasources, such as Wiki, unless those same datasources refute your claims - at which point you will cry "islamophobia" and run, only to resurface once you've believed the heat has died down to post another refutable claim, then another round of evidence, then another round of cut and run.

    Life Under Taliban - Talibanic "Crimes" and Talibanic "Punishments"

    You will see, on this page, for example, that Talibanic law included public executions - specifically indicating that prostitutes were shot in public stadiums. So, perhaps this woman was a prostitute.

    I'll ask another direct question. Perhaps the answer to this won't be quietly, after a month-plus of avoidance:

    Should prostitutes be shot, because they are prostitutes?
     
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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #93
    He might be a nice Jew :rolleyes:
     
    Mia, Nov 3, 2006 IP
  14. Ibn Juferi

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    #94
    I don't have any reason to be one anyway.

    - MENJ
     
    Ibn Juferi, Nov 3, 2006 IP
  15. Ibn Juferi

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    #95
    Sammy who?

    - MENJ
     
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  16. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #96
    I never use Wikipedia for my references on the Taliban, it is useful but not exactly free from bias. This is the work which I would highly recommend for anyone who wishes to know about the Taliban.

    No.

    - MENJ
     
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    #97
    I have information from dozens of sources that clearly state the above acts of summary justice were Taliban. I can post this information, but it feels, once again, that this will just be termed "biased."

    You do not do your religion good service by defending the Taliban. Jaree, for one, unequivocally condemned the Taliban for what it is. Do you really want to go down this line?
     
    northpointaiki, Nov 4, 2006 IP
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #98
    I usually agree with you but in this case you are wrong and do not have all the facts. ;)

    Both Mia and Menj are right depending on what version of Judaism you look at.
    Mia is right because liberal Jew recognize the conversion to Judaism and consider them a Jew as the state of Israel does. On the other hand the Orthodox Jews only consider people who their blood line can be traced to the original tribe of Mosses as Jews.
     
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    #99
    This is news to me. From wiki:

    "Orthodox Judaism maintains the historical understanding of Jewish identity. A Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother, or who converts to Judaism in accordance with Jewish law and tradition. "

    -emphasis mine.

    I'm sure there are others, but I have known many orthodox jews, and from what I know, anyone is free to convert, irrespective of ethnic identity.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #100
    Judaism is as divert as Christianity in regard to different sects. What you quoted is the present and majority view right now but not unanimous. You can look at the discussions about the immigration of Ethiopian Jews in 1970s and the problems that state of Israel had with declaring them Jews and the protests against it.
     
    gworld, Nov 4, 2006 IP