Katrina - Was the Govt alert enough?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by sachin410, Sep 4, 2005.

  1. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #121
    No actually you dodged the question, refused to answer it and instead went Kerry bashing instead of answering a simple yes or no question.

    I'll make it very simple yet again.

    If you are to flame Kerry for the cuts of weapons programs such as Zell did, would you not have to flame Cheney and Bush SR among others for recommending the same cuts? Forget about Kerry's other votes, that can be discussed a different time and is not nor was ever the question.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #122
    Zell Miller is one of the most ridiculous crackpots there is, I don't understand how anyone could take that guy seriously, if you take 5 minutes to read about his history you will see what I mean
     
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    #123
    LOL, no, your answers are evasive, and so is that excuse. You feel no burden of responsibility because your cover is blown. Go ahead, point out 'the answers' that you say are there.

    How, BTW, do you also arrive at the conclusion that Kerry
     
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    #124
    I can't believe mikmik is back again!

    Anyways, mikmik, Will did explain something very simply put: Kerry votes against almost all defense spending and that is why that 1 vote does matter, although Zell should have used a few to make the point not just the one. I am not defending zell, because I frankly don't know what he stands for, since I haven't paid to much attention to him.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #125
    I'm sorry but this is completely inaccurate, where did you get this information from?

    Just a few links that totally disprove this statement.

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127/
    http://www.factcheck.org/article209.html
    http://www.factcheck.org/article177.html
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040225-defense-kerry.htm
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57627-2004Sep2.html


    And no I am not intending to list only left, middle or right wing sources. A simple search on google and the top links I recieved all showing the exact opposite of this quote. In fact the only pages I have found that do not state this and try to convey the anti kerry voting message is personal republican bloggers listing many of the same programs Cheney and Bush SR wanted cut, as well as an intelligence cut that was not a cut but a refund for a program that had already been killed to the tune of I believe 1.5 billion dollars.
     
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    #126
    You guys dont even like Zell? Wow you just hate anyone who doesnt hat Bush dont you? :rolleyes:
     
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    #127
    I personally don't hate Zell, just stating a fact :)
     
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    #128
    Actually, you are stating what someone elses opinions of the facts are.
     
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    #129
    Actually, you are stating what someone elses opinions of the facts are.
    PHP:
    How is it an opinion that the cuts Zell bashed Kerry for were also supported to be cut by Bush SR, Cheney and other republicans? This is not an opinion, this is a fact.
     
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    #130
    I dont care about Bush or Cheney, as I have said, I have serious disagreements with the two. I'm just saying that Zell had every right to bash Kerry. Whether or not he chooses to do the same to Bush is a different story. Plus, it has been somewhat explained as to the differences on why Cheney voted the way he did as opposed to why Kerry voted the way he did.

    Just seems you will only go after those who disagree with your side of the political isle. I am much more open minded in that I criticise all sides of the political isle.

    Bias sucks.
     
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    #131
    I'm biased? Oh my god, I've called Kerry an idiot, a loser, a douche bag in many posts. I've even ripped on him on this thread.

    So again can't get a simple yes or no responce, had nothing to do with being republican or democratic, supporting one or the other, actually the exact opposite If you're going to blast one side blast both, something I will do, obvious something others will not.
     
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    #132
    I don't really hate Zell I just think he is opportunistic fruit, trying to sell books.

    He is one of those people who think thats rap music is destroying america and he thinks their should be limits on free speech.

    Then he gets caught taking funds

    http://www.wsbtv.com/specialassignments/4700488/detail.html

    and he is also a big time flip flopper and we all know how bad that is ...

    Do you know anything about Zell? or do you just know he gave a fiery (if somewhat BS speech)?

    There is certain kind of rule in effective propaganda, when someone criticizes something , that sort of goes against their own interest, its more convincing , like when democrat criticizes a democrat, or maybe a police officer criticizes the police department. It rings more true then say if a criminal , or regular citizen criticizes the police department. The people who design campigns know this (hell, I even know this and I read one measly book on propoganda) and that is why it behooves Zell Miller to stay a demeocrat. If he was a republican no one would care about what he has to say.
     
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    #133
    Sorry, Im getting ready for a flight so Im just skimming here. What is the question that you asked me directly? I didnt see it.

    I'll be happy to answer.
     
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    #134
    Oh. Grow. Up.
     
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    #135
    Understandable thread is kind of hard to read :)

    Was not a direct question to you, I stated

    Another poster decided to over and over answer the statement but not actually answer it, using nothing but republican issued responces I've heard a million times and dodge the actual merit of what I said :) Was not posted to you, or in reference to you in the last posts.

    BTW I hated Clinton, Was going to vote for McCain, chose not to vote for Bush because of what his campaign did to McCain. Before Bush was in office I considered myself a hardcore republican supporter, so trust me when I say I'm not 'liberally biased'

    To blast one candidate for an item that the vice president you are now supporting also stated should be done doesn't make any sence at all, no matter the reason for the vote. There simply is no way to justify it.

    And yes again Kerry was a douche bag

    Hope you don't miss your flight.
     
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    #136
    Ok I see. I didnt think so.

    I'll have a go at that.

    Yes. However, I think Kerry would have had a much more difficult time answering the accusation. He would probably say "I have a plan".

    Flight doesnt leave until 1:48 PM. ;)
     
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    #137
    lol almost spit my coffee out on that one, you're probally right, maybe he would have even brought out some nice pie charts? Reminded me of the snl skits.
     
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    #139
    Thats interesting - are you sure its true? you posted a foxnews link, it probably isn't true and it is so full of right wing propaganda, how can it be true?? This is so confusing for me, should I believe the story.... oh no, I think I am having a nervous breakdown...:eek:

    Back to reality, that is interesting, I would have to say it is being done so that people can get work done instead of having to keep defending the guy whether he did something wrong or not. I am not defending him, so I don't know the facts, and if he isn't doing his job, then great! Get rid of him!:D
     
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    #140
    It is interesting that even when the government that you defend so hard, fires the incompetent head of FEMA, you still can not say it that he was incompetent and shouldn't have got the job.
    I know you are religious and It seems you put Bush in equal level to Jesus and anything remotely related to him is holy and can not be criticized. :rolleyes:
     
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