JW's debunked. Who is this organisation really? Religion or corporation?

Haaaaaaaa lovely.

I never realised until an hour or so ago that this place had a Religion topical area.

What joy to behold!

Now, I've also noticed that there is here, a rather outspoken Witness brother, I'm rather hoping that he will avail himself the opportunity for a cozy warm chat. Or indeed any other Witness for that matter, I mind not.

Where shall we start?

At the beginning? Old boy Charley, Rutherford, Beth Sarim & The House of Princes? Comparisons between Al Capone and the JW mafia? How about Crooklyn and the borg? Or the actual name and it's symbolical meaning of the word, Watchtower, enochian magik? What about the 7th Laodecian Messenger? Or pyramids and their symbols, specifically the Cross and the Crown? Or The Divine Plan of the Ages and the Winged Sun Disk? 1925 maybe? 1975 if you like? Malawi and Mexico compared on the issue of Party Political Cards and Christian neutrality? The UN perhaps and the borgs expulsion from the United Nations? What about the Rand Corporation and US Defence spending? Blood? Excommunication and Disfellowshipping? Brainwashing in general? Love bombing? The Secret Elders Manual? The two witnesses rule? JW suicide rates?

Be my guest, pull up a chair and lets say, how do you do?

Where thither shall we commence the discussion?

Best regards.

Mark Magawr

 

Welcome to the P&R section Mark.

You are going to see a lot of 'if you are not with us then you are against us' so careful you don't step into the dark side or you'll be seen as a terrorist supporter by the religious bigots who love to copy & paste propaganda.

 

Ahhhhhhh they can do what they want, at least this is a subject I know inside out.

Should make for some interesting reading after a while.

Rather inconsiderate of these darn Bethel Boys to keep me waiting like this, terribly rude indeed.

Noticed on the other thread, Grandad writing about the blood issue, guess that subject can stay over there, by all means though, if he wants proof of JW deaths including child deaths as a direct result of them refusing or allowing their children, blood transfusions, by all means I can furnish him with stats if so required. Shocking stories that can be fully backed up.

My purpose I must state is not to attack the individual witnesses, I want this to be absolutely clear from the start, although I can get rather passionate about this subject, my purpose is solely to show what an incredibly crooked organisation this is and facts, arguments presented will come forth, based on their own publications and Watchtower HQ letters etc and other material credible sources.

Bring it on.

If they do not post, I shall simply carry on writing to myself anyway, a rather therapeutic exercise I add. No doubt they will interject at some point or other, for the info herein contained is bound to get hackles raised.

There are so many things that the Watchtower does not want the average public to know about, by no means would I be the first to be so outspoken on this subject, there are hundreds if not thousands of other former long time associates of the WT that have left for various reasons over the years and despite the silencing techniques employed to shut us up by HQ, our voices will not be silenced, we lost too much to keep quiet on these issues, and to be perfectly frank as well, the JW organisation can kiss my plump fat bottom for all I care for their idiotic misleading teachings which have caused untold misery in tens of thousands of people's lives, including yes, a lot of bloodguilt on their hands too.

 

You probably described all religions right there. They're all businesses.

 

Hmmmmm.

Anyone, feel welcome to ask questions about the Witnesses, and I'll do my level headed best to answer.

 

As a corporation where do the profits go. Are there some making a killing?

 

I'll be honest with you, that's a very good question and not one I was totally expecting, will take some further research to find the answer to this particular question.

Let me get back to you, as soon as I can - I'd prefer to be as factual as possible than simply have go at this question, without giving it the honest consideration it deserves.

 

These figures are a little old (2001), from financial records of New York's Top 40 corporations, however this doesn't answer your question, about where the profits actually go, I'll come to that in a bit.

This is from Newsday.com:

Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York

25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, 11201

718-560-5000

www.jw-media.org

Revenue: $951 million

Industry: Publishing

President: Milton Henshel

Employees: 3,415

It takes a lot of printing to supply more than 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses with the materials for their ministry. One publication, Watchtower, now has an average print run of 23 million copies twice per month, an increase of 7.5 percent over last year.

"Our report for the year is different from a Wall Street company," said vice president George Couch. Indeed, the company's employees are volunteers who live and work in the Brooklyn complex.

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I think the above is just for the USA only, bear in mind that they have headquarters in just about 98% of every country on the planet, so the overall figures are bound to be a lot higher than the yearly figure mentioned above.

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Certainly, the Watchtower (WTBTS - Watchtower Bible & Tract Society) IBSA in the UK (International Bible Students Association in the UK where it is listed as a charity) gives the picture that all profits go back into funding the overall organisation to expand their operation/s further.

All HQ staff worldwide are volunteers who work for free, simply being provided their full time board and lodging, food etc. Special Pioneers (putting in 140 hours plus a month into their full time ministry work used to be paid a pittance 'salary' to cover their basic lving expenses, this would also apply to their missionaries.

Obviously it takes huge amounts of money to fund a corporation as huge as the JW's worldwide. It must be noted that there is not just one corporation, but many, but this is another aspect of them entirely, therefore it is difficult to ascertain their total revenue streams, which might too include wills from members on passing on. This might include anything from stocks and shares, real estate, jewllery, you name it.

Until recently all of their printing was carried out in house, using the very latest printing presses and technology, although I understand this is now being handed out to out sourced companies. Obviously this costs vast amounts of money, not to mention the building and upkeep of thousands of kingdom halls and other Watchtower property, assembly halls scattered across the globe.

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Now some HQ facilities will obviously be making a profit (donations etc and as mentioned above, from wills etc), other HQ facilities though will be running at a loss. Overall though, by any stretch of the imagination we are talking about enormous sums annually on a global basis.

Do I honestly believe that all of this goes straight back into expansion of the 'network for purely benevolent reasons? I'd like to say yes, but there is an element of doubt here in my mind as to whether it does all go back into the organisation for purely non profit means and expansion.

This is what I am trying to get more information on and will be contacting one or two people that I know who might be able to supply this requested information.

Thank you for your patience, and your question too.

 

Some useful tidbits can be found here, but still in the present day, this still doesn't answer your question, as I said, I am researching this and will have to get back to you:

http://www.freeminds.org/history/money.htm

Please bear in mind the figures at the bottom of the page in the link provided above are now quite old, these are not up to date.

Converting those sums of money into US dollars, simply x 2 (1 Pound Uk Sterling = give or take a few cents, $2US)

 

Some further info:

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reprint from the Jun/Aug 1995 Free Minds Journal with additional notes made on 12/8/96
reprints of the Free Minds Journal


The Watchtower Way of Laundering Money
by Randall Watters

Previous to a major policy change in 1990, Watchtower literature was distributed at what was termed a "specified contribution" price for each item. Witness canvassers (called "publishers") bought their literature supplies from the congregation and then resold these from door-to-door. All monies were then remitted to the Society's headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

The new policy announced in 1990 detailed a complete donation basis for literature. It was now to be supplied without charge to congregations, but contribution boxes are placed by the counter for donations from the publishers, supposedly to cover the cost of printing and distribution. In the field, donations for the items are solicited, but are supposedly not necessary in order to obtain books and magazines. Such donations received from the public are then to be brought back to the Kingdom Hall and sent to the Society.

What was the motivation for these changes? The Society's answer was that less paperwork would be needed and the literature could be more easily distributed. "By adopting a method of literature distribution based completely on donation, Jehovah's people are able to greatly simplify our Bible education work and separate ourselves from those who commercialize religion." (Letter from the Watch Tower Society to all U.S. congregations dated February 21, 1990.)

The second reason given about `separating ourselves from those who commercialize religion' alluded to the real reason for the Society's change in literature distribution. Just one month before the new policy was announced, the Society watched how the Supreme Court ruled in California Board of Equalization vs. Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. California wanted to assess sales taxes on the sale of books and tapes and other items by Swaggart's ministry. The Watch Tower Society filed amicus curiae (a friend of the court legal brief) in support of Swaggart's position, that a religious organization should be exempt from such taxation. On Jan. 17, 1990, just a little over a month before the Society's change in policy, the Supreme Court ruled against Swaggart and permitted taxation. The Society's new policy avoided any liability for taxation by taking the financial transaction out of the picture (donations cannot be taxed).

The new policy was primarily a tax dodge. The side benefit to the Watchtower was that they received monies TWICE for the items, if all went as planned: Perhaps a dollar or two for a small book when you picked up the literature from the Kingdom Hall, and if you received a donation for the book from the householder, you were required to bring this back to the Hall and deposit it as well. (Hmmm..., something's fishy!)

The Society's letter outlining the new policy took great pains to emphasize that the donation policy was not a subterfuge for continued specified prices. The claim was made that "we will not suggest a specific donation." (Letter dated February 9, 1990.) Yet a subsequent letter gave instructions on how to suggest the old prices for Watchtower and Awake! subscriptions:

"It may be that the subscriber will ask how much is expected. The publisher should inform the subscriber that the making of a donation or the amount of such is entirely up to the subscriber. The publisher may inform the subscriber that some have donated $5 and others $10 or more, but the amount is left up to the subscriber. Whether or not a donation is made the subscription will be renewed ... If it turns out that a subscriber does not make a donation, as Jehovah God's fellow workers we have the opportunity to support that work, depending on our circumstances." (Letter dated February 21, 1990)

Here the WT Society is telling Witnesses to suggest $5 or $10 for subscriptions, which is the previous rate. Interestingly, the Society also suggests that if Witnesses can't collect that from the public, then the Witnesses themselves have the opportunity to donate to cover for the public.

So what happens when people currently write in to the Society asking for literature?

Apparently, literature, including magazine subscriptions, can rarely be obtained through the mail any longer. Even renewal notices for return mail are no longer sent, the householder being informed that they must obtain all materials through their local Kingdom Hall. Even at Watchtower headquarters in New York, only two or three items can be requested at a time from the Society's Furman Street literature counter. The Society's literature is free, but only in limited supply.

More recently, attempts to obtain the Watchtower's new CD-ROM computer disk (containing all of their publications on electronic media, some back to 1950) have yielded interesting results. Because the May 1994 Our Kingdom Ministry (p. 7) "suggests" a price of $25 or $50, though not in so many words, publishers are often requiring a minimum payment, sometimes up front, before they will order the CD-ROM disk. In one case, the JW is demanding $40 before he will place the order! It seems that Witnesses are taught to be more and more deceptive as time passes, which is merely a reflection of their mother (the organization).

Apparently, their recent significant drop in income, coupled with the failure of rank-and-file Witnesses to donate funds sufficient to their liking for materials received "free" has caused the Watchtower to make the following statement in the November 1996 issue (p.3) of their in-house bulletin entitled Our Kingdom Ministry:

Share With Others According to Their Needs

Jehovah makes provision to fill our spiritual needs through the faithful "slave". (Matt 24:45-47) Many of these provisions are in the form of books, Bibles, bound volumes, videos, audiocassette recordings, and computer disks for Bible research. What Jehovah supplies is always sufficient without being wasteful. He expects us to share with one another, making sure that all benefit equally. All such provisions are produced at tremendous financial cost. These expenses are cared for by the worldwide brotherhood. This is especially true since the organization instituted the arrangement to distribute literature without charge, depending entirely on voluntary donations to cover the expense. Additionally, many branches obtain these provisions from the Society at a cost that enables the brothers to have what they need for meetings and field activity even though they have very limited material resources.

How we can help. We can respond to Paul's admonition to share with others "according to their needs." (Rom 12:13) When we make financial contributions toward the worldwide work, we are directly sharing what we have with our brothers around the world. With this in mind, some have decided to set aside an amount to contribute to the worldwide work each month, just as they do for Kingdom Hall expenses. They recognize that these funds are used not only for literature production but for all facets of the work as well. Imagine the great benefit our worldwide brotherhood would experience if more would share in this way on a regular basis.

Further, we can share with them by always being conservative when requesting items that are readily available to us. Ordering only what we actually need allows our brothers elsewhere to receive the spiritual provisions that they also need to keep strong and to advance the preaching of the good news in their part of the world.-Heb.13:16.

We should especially bear this in mind when we request items that are produced at considerable expense to the Society. These include videos, CD-ROMs, large reference books, bound volumes and audiocassette subscriptions. Rather than requesting one item for each member of the household, could the entire family get along with just one? If we limit what we take for ourselves, it will allow others to obtain the same good things that we enjoy. -Phil. 2:4. The cost of literature that we place in the field may be offset in part by donations to the Society's worldwide work offered by us at the Kingdom Hall and by interested ones who accept it. However, when it comes to literature items we request for our personal use, including songbooks, Yearbooks, deluxe Bibles, and so forth, we cannot expect outsiders to care for our needs. Jehovah's dedicated servants are the primary source of this financial support. With that in mind, many publishers estimate what these items might cost if commercially produced and then they contribute accordingly. For example, a deluxe gold-edged Bible can easily cost $20 or more, a reference book may be $40 and up, a full-color wall calendar may sell for at least $5, an encyclopedia on CD-ROM costs from $50 to $100 or higher, music compact discs commonly cost close to $20 and some videos are often sold for much more. A failure to contribute enough to cover costs will ultimately restrict what the organization may otherwise be able to accomplish in furthering the worldwide work.

Jesus declared that his true disciple would be clearly identified by their love for one another. (John 13:34, 35) Our generosity in giving materially and our unselfishness in sharing with other according to their needs are surely fine ways to prove ourselves to be genuine Christians.
contributed by Sam Muramoto
_________________________________


additional notes:

It is interesting how they have even "raised the price" of a number of items! They appear be suggesting a donation of $50-100 for the CD-ROM instead of $25 to $50, and $40 for reference works such as Insight on the Scriptures. Since their costs of producing CD-ROMs could not exceed two dollars each (probably closer to $1), one wonders who they are trying to deceive.

One investigator sent in a donation to the Watchtower "equivalent to that once specified" for some literature, just to see what would happen. A letter, and an additional card was sent back. The letter was a "thank you" letter acknowleding a donation, but containing no hint as to any literature involved. But the card sent with it stated, "We are pleased to inform you that your request for Bible literature has been honored and will be mailed seperately." Using this technique, the WT feels they are going to avoid legal complications. Time will tell as to whether the State of California decides to reopen the case with regards to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.

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http://www.freeminds.org/history/launder.htm

 

Some further info:

*****

reprint from the Jun/Aug 1995 Free Minds Journal with additional notes made on 12/8/96
reprints of the Free Minds Journal


The Watchtower Way of Laundering Money
by Randall Watters

Previous to a major policy change in 1990, Watchtower literature was distributed at what was termed a "specified contribution" price for each item. Witness canvassers (called "publishers") bought their literature supplies from the congregation and then resold these from door-to-door. All monies were then remitted to the Society's headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

The new policy announced in 1990 detailed a complete donation basis for literature. It was now to be supplied without charge to congregations, but contribution boxes are placed by the counter for donations from the publishers, supposedly to cover the cost of printing and distribution. In the field, donations for the items are solicited, but are supposedly not necessary in order to obtain books and magazines. Such donations received from the public are then to be brought back to the Kingdom Hall and sent to the Society.

What was the motivation for these changes? The Society's answer was that less paperwork would be needed and the literature could be more easily distributed. "By adopting a method of literature distribution based completely on donation, Jehovah's people are able to greatly simplify our Bible education work and separate ourselves from those who commercialize religion." (Letter from the Watch Tower Society to all U.S. congregations dated February 21, 1990.)

The second reason given about `separating ourselves from those who commercialize religion' alluded to the real reason for the Society's change in literature distribution. Just one month before the new policy was announced, the Society watched how the Supreme Court ruled in California Board of Equalization vs. Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. California wanted to assess sales taxes on the sale of books and tapes and other items by Swaggart's ministry. The Watch Tower Society filed amicus curiae (a friend of the court legal brief) in support of Swaggart's position, that a religious organization should be exempt from such taxation. On Jan. 17, 1990, just a little over a month before the Society's change in policy, the Supreme Court ruled against Swaggart and permitted taxation. The Society's new policy avoided any liability for taxation by taking the financial transaction out of the picture (donations cannot be taxed).

The new policy was primarily a tax dodge. The side benefit to the Watchtower was that they received monies TWICE for the items, if all went as planned: Perhaps a dollar or two for a small book when you picked up the literature from the Kingdom Hall, and if you received a donation for the book from the householder, you were required to bring this back to the Hall and deposit it as well. (Hmmm..., something's fishy!)

The Society's letter outlining the new policy took great pains to emphasize that the donation policy was not a subterfuge for continued specified prices. The claim was made that "we will not suggest a specific donation." (Letter dated February 9, 1990.) Yet a subsequent letter gave instructions on how to suggest the old prices for Watchtower and Awake! subscriptions:

"It may be that the subscriber will ask how much is expected. The publisher should inform the subscriber that the making of a donation or the amount of such is entirely up to the subscriber. The publisher may inform the subscriber that some have donated $5 and others $10 or more, but the amount is left up to the subscriber. Whether or not a donation is made the subscription will be renewed ... If it turns out that a subscriber does not make a donation, as Jehovah God's fellow workers we have the opportunity to support that work, depending on our circumstances." (Letter dated February 21, 1990)

Here the WT Society is telling Witnesses to suggest $5 or $10 for subscriptions, which is the previous rate. Interestingly, the Society also suggests that if Witnesses can't collect that from the public, then the Witnesses themselves have the opportunity to donate to cover for the public.

So what happens when people currently write in to the Society asking for literature?

Apparently, literature, including magazine subscriptions, can rarely be obtained through the mail any longer. Even renewal notices for return mail are no longer sent, the householder being informed that they must obtain all materials through their local Kingdom Hall. Even at Watchtower headquarters in New York, only two or three items can be requested at a time from the Society's Furman Street literature counter. The Society's literature is free, but only in limited supply.

More recently, attempts to obtain the Watchtower's new CD-ROM computer disk (containing all of their publications on electronic media, some back to 1950) have yielded interesting results. Because the May 1994 Our Kingdom Ministry (p. 7) "suggests" a price of $25 or $50, though not in so many words, publishers are often requiring a minimum payment, sometimes up front, before they will order the CD-ROM disk. In one case, the JW is demanding $40 before he will place the order! It seems that Witnesses are taught to be more and more deceptive as time passes, which is merely a reflection of their mother (the organization).

Apparently, their recent significant drop in income, coupled with the failure of rank-and-file Witnesses to donate funds sufficient to their liking for materials received "free" has caused the Watchtower to make the following statement in the November 1996 issue (p.3) of their in-house bulletin entitled Our Kingdom Ministry:

Share With Others According to Their Needs

Jehovah makes provision to fill our spiritual needs through the faithful "slave". (Matt 24:45-47) Many of these provisions are in the form of books, Bibles, bound volumes, videos, audiocassette recordings, and computer disks for Bible research. What Jehovah supplies is always sufficient without being wasteful. He expects us to share with one another, making sure that all benefit equally. All such provisions are produced at tremendous financial cost. These expenses are cared for by the worldwide brotherhood. This is especially true since the organization instituted the arrangement to distribute literature without charge, depending entirely on voluntary donations to cover the expense. Additionally, many branches obtain these provisions from the Society at a cost that enables the brothers to have what they need for meetings and field activity even though they have very limited material resources.

How we can help. We can respond to Paul's admonition to share with others "according to their needs." (Rom 12:13) When we make financial contributions toward the worldwide work, we are directly sharing what we have with our brothers around the world. With this in mind, some have decided to set aside an amount to contribute to the worldwide work each month, just as they do for Kingdom Hall expenses. They recognize that these funds are used not only for literature production but for all facets of the work as well. Imagine the great benefit our worldwide brotherhood would experience if more would share in this way on a regular basis.

Further, we can share with them by always being conservative when requesting items that are readily available to us. Ordering only what we actually need allows our brothers elsewhere to receive the spiritual provisions that they also need to keep strong and to advance the preaching of the good news in their part of the world.-Heb.13:16.

We should especially bear this in mind when we request items that are produced at considerable expense to the Society. These include videos, CD-ROMs, large reference books, bound volumes and audiocassette subscriptions. Rather than requesting one item for each member of the household, could the entire family get along with just one? If we limit what we take for ourselves, it will allow others to obtain the same good things that we enjoy. -Phil. 2:4. The cost of literature that we place in the field may be offset in part by donations to the Society's worldwide work offered by us at the Kingdom Hall and by interested ones who accept it. However, when it comes to literature items we request for our personal use, including songbooks, Yearbooks, deluxe Bibles, and so forth, we cannot expect outsiders to care for our needs. Jehovah's dedicated servants are the primary source of this financial support. With that in mind, many publishers estimate what these items might cost if commercially produced and then they contribute accordingly. For example, a deluxe gold-edged Bible can easily cost $20 or more, a reference book may be $40 and up, a full-color wall calendar may sell for at least $5, an encyclopedia on CD-ROM costs from $50 to $100 or higher, music compact discs commonly cost close to $20 and some videos are often sold for much more. A failure to contribute enough to cover costs will ultimately restrict what the organization may otherwise be able to accomplish in furthering the worldwide work.

Jesus declared that his true disciple would be clearly identified by their love for one another. (John 13:34, 35) Our generosity in giving materially and our unselfishness in sharing with other according to their needs are surely fine ways to prove ourselves to be genuine Christians.
contributed by Sam Muramoto
_________________________________


additional notes:

It is interesting how they have even "raised the price" of a number of items! They appear be suggesting a donation of $50-100 for the CD-ROM instead of $25 to $50, and $40 for reference works such as Insight on the Scriptures. Since their costs of producing CD-ROMs could not exceed two dollars each (probably closer to $1), one wonders who they are trying to deceive.

One investigator sent in a donation to the Watchtower "equivalent to that once specified" for some literature, just to see what would happen. A letter, and an additional card was sent back. The letter was a "thank you" letter acknowleding a donation, but containing no hint as to any literature involved. But the card sent with it stated, "We are pleased to inform you that your request for Bible literature has been honored and will be mailed seperately." Using this technique, the WT feels they are going to avoid legal complications. Time will tell as to whether the State of California decides to reopen the case with regards to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.

Reprinted letter from Watchtower reply:

http://www.freeminds.org/history/weisman.gif

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http://www.freeminds.org/history/launder.htm

 

Well i've been bored many times by the jw's and all their talk of "stuff" and love and something and something else and god or something and something else.

Well if they are a corporation, they better employ - more interesting salespeople

 

I made mention of Rand Corporation in my opening thread, this is something I've come across before, I believe this has something to do with the Department of Defence, drone aircraft and surveillance technologies, as used just prior to the Iraqi war, again it would take more research to get thoroughly up to date on just this single aspect:

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Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: IS the watchtower indirectly investing in DOD technologies?

Question
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20549
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FORM 10-KSB

ANNUAL REPORT PURSUANT TO SECTION 13 OR 15(d) OF
THE SECURITIES ACT OF 1934

For the Fiscal Year Ended April 30, 2002

COMMISSION FILE NO. 0-23920

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REGI U.S., INC.
----------
(Name of small business issuer as specified in its charter)

OREGON
91-1580146
(State or other jurisdiction of
(I.R.S. Employer
incorporation or organization) Identification Number)

Name Class A Shares Owned Percentage of
Class A Shares
Owned
<S> <C> <C>
John G. Robertson, Chairman of the Board 5,781,350 51.22%
of Directors, President and Director (1)(2)
The Watchtower Society (3) 5,073,200 44.94%
James McCann (4) 5,073,200 44.94%
Rand Energy Group Inc.(5) 5,073,200 44.94%

Do you guys even know what this company do for our DOD?

"Rand Energy Group is owned 51% by Reg Technologies Inc. and 49% by Rand Cam Engine Corp. Rand Cam Engine Corp. is a privately held company whose stock is owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, a religious organization, 34% by James McCann and the balance by several other shareholders. Mr. McCann has indicated that he donated the shares held by The Watchtower Society to that organization but has retained a voting proxy for those shares. Accordingly, in Notes (3) and (4) above, beneficial ownership of the 5,073,200 shares registered in the name of Rand Energy Group Inc. has been attributed to The Watchtower Society and Mr. McCann. We believe it would be misleading and not provide clear disclosure to list as beneficial owners in the table the other entities and persons discussed in this paragraph, although a strict reading of Rule 13d-3 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 might require each such entity and person to be listed in the beneficial ownership table. "

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It's difficult as you can imagine to get to the bottom of all of this, especially given the number of corporations too, that the Watchtower name, operates under.

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This is just a very small partial list of the corporate entities relating to the US only:

Watchtower Convention
260 South Church Avenue, Tucson, AZ 85701
(520) 622-1870

Watchtower Convention
207 West Flores Street, Tucson, AZ 85705
(520) 624-1417

Southern California Circuits of Jehovah's Witnesses
4310 S Degnan Blvd
Los Angeles,CA 90008

Watchtower Convention
6504 Linda Vista Road, San Diego, CA 92111
(858) 560-9464

Mira Loma California Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses
3300 Cornerstone Dr
Mira Loma,CA 91752

Norco Circuit Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses
1001 Parkridge
Norco,CA 91760

Garden Grove Congregation of Jehovah's Witness North Unit Charitable Trust
9191 Lampson Ave
Garden Grove,CA

Watchtower Convention Headquarters
11 Bright Street, San Francisco, CA 94132
(415) 585-5078

Watchtower Convention
1739 8th Avenue, Oakland, CA 94606
(510) 834-9492

Watchtower District Convention Warehouse
43400 Osgood Road, Fremont, CA 94539
(510) 226-6070

Woodland Hills California Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses
20600 Ventura Blvd
Woodland Hills,CA 91364

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York
318 S Ash
Cortez,CO 81321

Watchtower Grove - (UNCONFIRMED)
1001 Lehigh East Road, Lehigh Acres, FL 33972
(941) 369-3245

Plant City Florida Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witness
1904 N Frontage Rd
Plant City,FL 33565

Daytona Beach FL Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, Inc.
PO BOX 9357
NEW SMYRNA BEACH,FL 32120

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Florida, Inc.
900 RED MILLS RD
WALLKILL,NY 12589

Watchtower Disaster Relief
Kapaa, HI 96746
(808) 822-9197

Watchtower Educational Center Pacific
239 Palii Street, Mililani, HI 96789
(808) 623-8332

Jehovahs Witnesses - Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York Inc BR
2055 Kamehameha Iv Road, Honolulu, HI 96819
(808) 842-1100

Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York Inc - Branch Office
2055 Kamehameha Iv Road, Honolulu, HI 96819
(808) 842-1100

Watch Tower Convention
1 Civic Center Square, Portland, ME 04101
(207) 879-0090

Watch Tower Convention
154 Hicks Wy, Amherst, MA 01003
(413) 549-4274

Vineyard Haven Massachusetts Jehovah's Witnesses Trust
PO Box 1554 Pine Tree Rd
Vineyard Haven,MA 02568

Jehovah's Witnesses Assembly Halls of New Jersey, Inc.
PO BOX 8888
TURNERSVILLE,NJ 08012

Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York Inc
25 Columbia Hts, Brooklyn, NY 11201
(718) 625-3600

Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of N Y Inc - Admin OFC
25 Columbia Hts, Brooklyn, NY 11201
(718) 560-5000

Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of N Y Inc - Convention OFC
25 Columbia Hts, Brooklyn, NY 11201
(718) 560-7400

Watchtower Convention
614 Uniondale Avenue, Uniondale, NY 11553
(516) 481-2865

Watch Tower Convention
1255 Hempstead Turnpike, Uniondale, NY 11553
(516) 794-1772

Watchtower Farms
900 Red Mills Road, Wallkill, NY 12589
(845) 744-6000

Watchtower Educational Center
100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, NY 12563
(845) 306-1000

Watchtower Educational Center
RR 22, Patterson, NY 12563
(845) 878-7000

Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of N Y Inc - Executive Offices
25 Columbia Hts, Brooklyn, NY 11201
(718) 625-3600

Bethel Cultural Community Development Center, Inc. (Unconfirmed)
1742 Flatbush Ave
Brooklyn,NY 11210

Brooklyn Assembly Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses, Inc.
973-81 Flatbush Ave
Brooklyn,NY 11226

Queens Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses
44 17 Greenport Ave
Sunnyside,NY 11104

Rochester New York Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses
272 Farrell Rd Ext
West Henrietta,NY 14586

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
2236 NW 20TH ST
OKLAHOMA CITY,OK 73107

Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
25 Columbia Hts
Brooklyn,NY 11201

Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society
1630 Spring Run Road Extension, Coraopolis, PA 15108
(724) 457-9460

Watch Tower Convention
Veterns Stadm, Philadelphia, PA 19102
(215) 389-2923

Watch Tower
1320 Pactolas Road, Johnson City, TN 37604
(423) 928-0882

Jehovah's Witnesses Assembly Hall
400 N Cleveland
Memphis,TN 38104

Watchtower Convention Fort Worth
1111 Houston Street, Fort Worth, TX 76102
(817) 332-5670

Watchtower Convention
823 Whitney Avenue Northwest, Roanoke, VA 24012
(540) 362-5531

Jehovah's Witnesses Assembly Hall of Washington
11317 78th Ave E
Puyallup,WA 98373

Charitable Trust Agreement fbo Watchtower Society Louis R
PO Box 1308
Milwaukee,WI 53201

Jehovah's Witnesses Assembly Hall of Wisconsin, Inc.
207 S Wright Rd
Janesville,WI 53546

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Globally, no doubt there are many hundreds more.

 

magawr, you must really hate those guys.

 

Magawr, you sure have done a lot of research.

If I may ask, what is the objective of telling the truth? Does anyone care about JW and its incorporation?

They are earning money, because these people have to maintain and grow an organisation. You should actually learn their techniques instead.

 

I lost my entire family to them including my own son.

Do I hate them, individual witnesses no, most in fact, aside from being a bit doolalley are actually quite decent people, albeit rather odd.

As for the leadership, the Governing Body, you can't really hate them either, for their corporation is so huge, it's more of an entity than anything else, sure I think the old boys are absolutely cracked, bordering on schizophrenia but to hate them that's a strong and very negative emotion and if you let those kind of feelings exist within yourself, sooner or later, those kind of feeling will eat you up from the inside, so it's not really worth the effort to hate them, for this is counter productive to the self and personal development.

Sure, I went through many years of agony at their hands, emotional torture, some of us call it spiritual rape as well as a lot of physical abuse, many went through much worse, far greater humiliations, I guess I'm still 'mad' at what they stand for, rather than hating intensely any particular individual - love is a much better quality to cultivate afterall.

Put it this way, if there was an earthquake in NYC and I was called on to get those guys out of their offices, living quarters or they would lose their lives, would I do so? Of course I would and it would be an honour, for all life is precious and a principle would be at stake to act immediately to preserve life, not allow it to be taken away - this goes without saying.

Would they do the same for me, the (in their words) dog that has returned to it's vomit? I hardly think so, but then, they're not exactly renowned for helping anyone but themselves 99.9% of the time. Why would they care? They are taught to rejoice at seeing the destruction of everyone at armegeddon since they believe that they alone and no-one else are God's only true organisation and chosen people on earth.

They don't call it the New World Order, or the New System of Things for nothing.

Take for example, Panorama, Dispatches, Watchdog, all programs airing on UK television, that expose companies, corporations and other major scams and carry out investigative journalism - do the researchers feel consumed with hatred, or do they go about their work as unemotionally detached as possible to complete the project brief efficiently, and to present facts and figures so that people can learn more productively and afterwards make up their own judgement, come to their own conclusions? That is the purpose of this thread.

Hopefully, it may inspire one or two to do further research, especially if they are thinking of joining, or accepting their publications or have family or friends that want to join and need to know more about the subject. I'm only one of many thousands that carries out this research, which has grown enormously in the last decade with the advent of the internet, which has enabled networking to become a lot easier.

If there is anything further I can assist you with, please do not hesitate to get contact and I'll do my best to help.

Kindest regards.

Mark Magawr

 

how exactly did they abused you, if you don't mind me asking and what exactly do you mean by loosing your entire family to them

 

I know their techniques inside out and absolutely nothing about said techniques appeals to me in the slightest.

Are you saying I should start a new sect, sure thing mate, maybe if I lived in the States , somehow here in the UK I think that could be pretty difficult, cos we're a bunch of cynical old gits this side of the pond.

Nah, they can shove their wotsits up where the sun don't shine.

Ok, so there were some valuable lessons learned from within them, but the overall picture they teach, as far as I'm concerned is more devilish by nature than anything coming from God.

This is the Watchtower Pyramid: Check out the symbol which is displayed on all sides and tell me what you make of it.

 

Another view of the same:



Charles Taze Russell (founder of the JW's), his burial spot next to the pyramid:



Further images / info:

http://www.freeminds.org/history/cemetary.htm

 

Early Watchtower magazine cover:



Close up of inscription on pyramid above: