I bet you were kidnapped as a child Yo Yo, http://onthescene.msnbc.com/baghdad/2005/12/horrific_unseen.html#posts D
lol you believe in CNN ? the most biased news channel .. it is always on the forefront of spreading hatred against Islam. and can't you see in the picture along the article that the person is already in police custody ? so the "rarely punishable" thing really isn't correct
wow its taken me 3 hours to read all of this, #1 god is the same if your reading the bible or the quran, both are stupid books full of crap, and are for sheep to follow. #2 it does not matter what colour you paint your picture, if you painted a masterpiece and had to kill people to make them love your artwork, in thier eye's its still crap. even if you are called saddam you can paint as much as you like, underneath its still a crap picture. #3 iraq has the chance to rule its self with a religious government, its not the religious government thats going to do the harm, its how the leaders enforce its rule, like the Old and new testament's, people will interprate them diffrently, thats were the problems will surface. with the leaders not the religion. the old testament says a marride woman that sleeps around, should be stoned to death, the quran says the same thing to. the diffrence is this, we in the west dont do that anymore, as we have given females equal rights, "yeah lmfao" iraq can do the same but instill other forms of punnishment, no government has established a church in any europian country, kings have become the leader of churches when they have broken away from the catholic rule of the pope, when the pope tried to enforce his rule over the kings, no government has established a church in europe. #4 a constitution however based is a set of rules to live by, it gives its people a set of guildlines to follow, to live in peace, weather or not the people follow it, its the law that has to set the case, and the courts that set the punishment. the usa has the death penalty, by gas by hanging, by injection, by frying in a chair for a few mins, till cooked to medium rare, by firing squad, to name the common ones, in islamic countries where beheading is carried out, it is done with one blow to the back of the neck, sounds much more humain to me, than some on offer in the usa. its all barbaric if you ask me, life meaning life, should be the punishment, and not death. #5 Honour killings is just a sad fact of life that proves females are worthless to some people, it proves that we do not have equal rights not here in the uk usa or any part of the world, females are killed at birth in china because they have to pay to be married off, so males are worth more, because they get paid to marry her by her family, its estimated that between 150,000-300,000 female babies are disposed off in china each year. the adulte are to chickenshit to take the rap, and have to corrupt a minor to do commit a crime, were is the honour in corrupting a minor? words like "apply social control" "power to contain the damage" are a power trip men have over females, to rule by fear not by love, how does this come about? this is the Fundamental flaw right here,females are married off as young as 12 years old in some countries, to men they have never met, because they are still virgins, and the power to keep his female and his honour is then passed to the new husband, weather she loves him or not, she has never met him in most cases, and is forced to marry someone she does not now, or love. her father can now rid himself of most blame, if she strays or seeks love, or tries to escape an abusive relationship, she risks death. Female genital mutilation (FGM) is the term used to refer to the removal of part, or all, of the female genitalia. this barbaric act is also carried out to control females, by removing her organs and making sex so painful she has no desire to seek other sexual partners. An estimated 135 million of the world's girls have undergone genital mutilation In the Middle East, FGM is practised in Egypt, Oman, Yemen and the United Arab Emirates.FGM is reportedly practised in more than 28 African countries. FGM is in Asia. It has been reported among Muslim populations in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Malaysia, although very little is known about the practice in these countries. In India, a small Muslim sect, the Daudi Bohra, practise clitoridectomy. In industrialized countries, genital mutilation occurs predominantly among immigrants from countries where mutilation is practised. It has been reported in Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, the UK and USA. Girls or girl infants living in industrialized countries are sometimes operated on illegally by doctors from their own community who are resident there. More frequently, traditional practitioners are brought into the country or girls are sent abroad to be mutilated ca 30,000 in the usa each year, ca 5,000 in the uk each year. 5,000 girls a day between 1-18 years of age, most carried out at between 8-12 years old, until men spread love and not hate, the world will never be a safe place for females, weather your black gay muslim female, we all have the right to live our life free from fear, with love and protection from someone we choose to be with. not having to be forced into something we dont want, the world would be a far better place to live if females ruled it.
samantha pia wrote: Samantha, i hope you don't think that what i explained in my post is my reasoning...it is the reasoning of the people that commit these terrible crimes. I am not defending this Honour Killings, mearly only explaining what it's about and that it's culture related and it's not connected to Islam, it is even forbidden by Islam to do these kind of crimes. And i agree with you that there is no honour in these acts. I couldn't really tell if you thought i agreed with these crimes or you just wanted to elaborate some more on this. And i can't really answer your questions since i as well see no logic in these crimes, it's just stupid
i was just adding my thoughts on it, not saying that you support them, and yes i do know its forbidden by Islam
nope i quoted you word for word, its only 2 pages back, memory span of a goldfish huh? or you copy n paste crap without reading it, just to look good, and dont check the facts?
what i quoted is what you posted, i dont care where you found it, the facts are wrong, you posted it as being fact, you copy n pasted crap, thinking it was fact, i put you right, OWENED
And just to prove you wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Established_churches_and_former_state_churches_in_Europe And more here: The framers of the U.S. Constitution were concerned that European history might repeat itself in the new world. They wanted to avoid the continual wars motivated by religious hatred that had decimated many countries within Europe. They decided that a church/state separation was their best assurance that the U.S. would remain relatively free of inter-religious strife. http://www.religioustolerance.org/scs_intr.htm The Church of England is the officially established Christian church in England, and acts as the 'mother' and senior branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion, as well as a founding member of the Porvoo Communion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England In Britain there was a campaign by Liberals, dissenters and nonconformists to disestablish the Church of England in the late 19th century; it failed in England, but demands for the measure persist to this day. The Church of Ireland was disestablished in 1869 and the Church of England was disestablished in Wales in 1920, becoming the Church in Wales. Those who wish to continue with an established church take a position of antidisestablishmentarianism. Eastern Orthodox Jurisdictions which recognize one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches as their official religion: Cyprus Finland (along with the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland) Greece The Russian Federation recognizes the Russian Orthodox Church, the main sub-branch of the greater Eastern Orthodox Church, as well as Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam as all "official" and "indigenous" to Russian soil. Oriental Orthodox Jurisdictions which recognize one of the Oriental Orthodox Churches as their official religion: Armenia Lutheran Jurisdictions which recognize a Lutheran church as their official religion: Denmark Iceland Norway Finland (along with the Finnish Orthodox Church) Until 2000, Sweden had the localized Lutheran Church as a state church. The Church of Sweden has now been relegated to the status of a national church. Anglican Jurisdictions which recognise an Anglican church as their state religion: England (as part of the greater United Kingdom) - Church of England Reformed Jurisdictions which recognize a Reformed church as their official religion: Some cantons of Switzerland The Church of Scotland, which is Presbyterian, is the national church in that country. Priot to 1929, it was also the established church. Secular states Secular states do not profess any state religion and attempt to treat all religions equally. Countries which are officially secular: Australia France India Japan Turkey United States of America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion I can see somebodies new year resolution should have been "stop being such a bitch"
Like many European nations, France had a long tradition of government-established religion. Throughout much of the nation’s history, the Roman Catholic Church received official preference. http://blog.au.org/this_day_in_history/
The history of governmentally established religion, both in England and in this country, showed that whenever government had allied itself with one particular form of religion, the inevitable result had been that it had incurred the hatred, disrespect and even contempt of those who held contrary beliefs. That same history showed that many people had lost their respect for any religion that had relied upon the support of government to spread its faith. The Establishment Clause thus stands as an expression of principle on the part of the Founders of our Constitution that religion is too personal, too sacred, too holy, to permit its "unhallowed perversion" by a civil magistrate. Another purpose of the Establishment Clause rested upon an awareness of the historical fact that governmentally established religions and religious persecutions go hand in hand. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/engel.html
Originally Posted by samantha pia no government has established a church in any europian country. do you have a problem understanding that statement? ^^^^ no government europian Kings established churches. no europian government has established a church the kings and queens of europe are the heads of the church. the catholic pope tried to rule the kings, and the kings broke away from the catholic church and thus the pope, all this took place before governments where formed, when the kings ruled. and if you have to revert to calling a female a bitch, your nothing but a weak silly man that has nothing but power tripping thoughts over females. bye bye runt
Do you have a problem understanding what the word government means? I highlighted it for you Or I just don't like people with sour attitudes that come at me rudely and unprovoked.
the catholic king of france is who accepted the catholic faith and established the state support of the catholic church, to have backing from the pope for a war with england because the king here, had broken away from the pope and catholic church, the french cut off the french kings head, and formed a govenment, who seen no point in changing the status quo of the catholic church in france, thus the french king established the catholic church as the state church, not the govenment go read up on your history
oh i forgot, the usa has no history, its only 200 years old, thats when the world history started huh? so the yanks dont have to learn to much about the rest of the world,